I feel like there are some things in dreams that cannot be properly described. Many of the things I see in dreams cannot be described in less than 30 words. Maybe we should make a sort of new language for describing dreams. Like in a dream when I dream about someone who is my father but in real life doesn’t exist, he just feels like a father figure but I had no childhood with him in the dream. Almost like a non biological father. Maybe we should have words for these things. Maybe we should make a new more descriptive language for dreaming. Maybe we should start a thread that works like a dictionary for dream words and a second thread where people can submit ideas of things they want words for. Is it worth a try?
My personal view is dream records are personal and this would make it complicated. The words used should be intuitive.
“a sort of new language for describing dreams. Like in a dream when I dream about someone who is my father but in real life doesn’t exist, he just feels like a father figure but I had no childhood with him in the dream.” I would write “dream father”
I also use [jump] for when a dream leaves out any time.
[shift] when dream 'continues but the environment fundamentally changes.
Having to use words originating from other dreamers in MY dreams would feel foreign to me.
We may as well give them an option to use other words when they cannot describe things to accurately relay information to others. Maybe just like a common language so we can understand each other. We have already created wordsblike hypnogogia to describe things and names for methods of lucid dreaming so why stop there?
Those new words tend to be organically created by taking part in the discussion. LD4all members have created expressions like shards (short fragmented dreams) OOME, out of mouth experience (that dream where you try to pull a substance out of your mouth) hollows (“NPC” dream characters with no personality)
The new words are created when somebody needs them, and sometimes, others start using them because they fit. I agree that creating a list of completely new words would feel unnatural, but maybe we could try to collect the expressions that LD4all has already created?
Maybe we should put them in a list so we don’t have to spend a long time searching for them and they are easy to access?
This makes a lot of sense! Dreams are vivid and speak in a nonhuman language. I am trying to get back into dreamwork/lucid dreaming.
Tell me more about this idea!
I have been gone for a while, I just got back on. My idea is that we should invent words for these abstract concepts, the ones that we cannot describe well in normal words. I think we should detach these words from any existing language and start with what sounds right. I think that a long time ago we all used to speak the same language. We could try to use our instincts to find those old words again. Maybe we can gather inspiration from our dreams. We could search for words in our dreams and make a dictionary for them. The words need to feel right and fit with their meaning. I want it to be a descriptive language that we almost instinctively understand. I want words for those things I cannot describe.
I agree with @moogle that the challenges to a dictionary is that our dreams and how we write them can be personal and very specific to the person. But I like the idea of trying anyway, at least for someof the broader strokes and hard to describe moments that we might have in common with each other. Maybe one way is for people to start sharing situations they commonly encounter in dreams that are not easily explained in a single term that they either have to explain every time or have come up with a code for it.
One of my commonly encountered situations is a very fluid and poorly felt sense of self. In the same dream, I may experience myself as me, then as a different main character, then an invisible observer all without noticing the changes in the dream and having difficulty even after waking, determining at which points I shifted or if I was all of those simultaneously. I usually try making sense of it after waking, ascribing whatever pronouns feel most true for the moment I’m describing.
I use the word “Skip” to indicate any breaks in time within a dream though I have yet to decide on how to indicate when the skip is due to that part of the dream being forgotten versus when the dream just jumps to a new section.
I use words made by other dreamers quite a lot. I use DC and DO a lot and only started using those after coming to this forum. There’s a lot more of that “dream dictionary” that I’ve learned by reading dreams from other people here. I’m not sure if I learned about the void before encountering and naming that place myself. Seems like a lot of people call it the void too and experience a similar “empty dream world” when between dreams or between a dream and waking up.
This is kinda off-topic, but there’s something I experience in waking life sometimes that I struggle to find words to describe. The simplest way to put it would be “altered perception”. I still see everything, but it feels like my brain “understands” it differently and it’s extremely distracting. So it’s not just dreams that present us with things we struggle to find words for. Waking life can have that too.