As you perhaps know, I can’t WILD. I’ve tried for years without any results. These last nights, I’ve tried harder. I’ll describe below what most often happens.
I relax. When I’m relaxed, I focus on my breathing. When my breathing is thin, I focus on something (repeating a mantra, looking at the phosphenes, etc.) I stay firmly on my practice of the night, that’s if I realize I’m thinking about something, I jump back to my practice.
Sometimes, I’m practising like this when I go to bed, sometimes during WBTB.
Most of the time, I reach a state in which I barely don’t feel my body, I’m deeply relaxed and my thoughts are few and slow. But nothing more happens. It seems I can stay in this state for hours, and effectively, I tried the last nights, and stayed in this state during 3 or 4 hours. But nothing happens, no vibrations, no HI, no dream, no fake body positions, etc. I thought that this state was a sort a deep transe.
Some people I know have the same problem, so I asked Flo for her opinion (she’s very experienced in LD and dzogchen meditation). She replies to me that the state I have reached was not a transe, it was just a sort of deep numbness and it was absolutely useless. She said that in this state, there was no tsel (a tibetan word describing a creative energy) and for a dream to appear, there must be tsel.
What is your opinion about this state, and do a lot of people experience it ?
I think you are trying too hard to not fall asleep, you have to let yourself fall asleep eventually. I haven’t had your problem since I seem to always fall asleep even if I try not to… You could try to continue focusing on your breathing after it gets thin, then you should reach the vibrations after a while if you manage to lie completely still. Btw what happens if you focus on phosphenes? Do you get any HI? and what happens then if you get HI? I usually fall asleep after I get HI for a while because I seem to get lost in my thoughts.
This is what happens to me if I try too hard to fall asleep…it can last the whole night, if I am unlucky. It did, last night. I have never heard about this happening to other people! Sometimes I can lie like that with a song stuck in my head for hours. It is very irritating. HI usually marks a very welcome end to this.
Actually after days, weeks and even months of trying damn WILD, it worked today! I found trying it in the morning for the first time actually worked… so you could try a change in time?
i think you probably focus too much!
I usually have no problem having HI because i always drift a lot in my mind! I have problems getting HI to become a LD. when i go lucid i just loose control and the dream fades away!
try letting your thoughts flow…
like this…
I’ve tried for years without any results. These last nights, I’ve tried harder. I’ll describe below what most often happens.
for her opinion (she’s very experienced in LD and dzogchen meditation). She replies to me that the state I have reached was not a transe, it was just a sort of deep numbness and it was absolutely useless. 
She said that in this state, there was no tsel (a tibetan word describing a creative energy) and for a dream to appear, there must be tsel.
