Bedtime WILD?

tris69 · October 22, 2005, 1:21pm

my mate keeps on saying that he can LD straight off when he goes to bed at night…
Can some people to do that, is it possible to just WILD when u go to bed and go straight into a LD? He says he can do it almost on demand when he goes to bed. I thought WILD would only work in afternoon naps and early morning hours…
and I also thought it taks 90 minutes to enter REM, so would you have to be paralysed for 90 minutes!!!
Just Curious…

Basilus_West · October 22, 2005, 3:06pm

It’s possible but it’s harder. That the reason why the advice is generally given to beginners to WILD after WBTB or during afternoon naps. Anyway, you’re not in REM sleep when you go to bed and WILD. Robert Monroe has been mesured during an OBE and he was in modified sleep stages 1 or 2, i.e. n-REM sleep.

tris69 · October 23, 2005, 5:49am

so what ur saying is that it is possible to slip off straight into an LD using the WILD method at bedtime…?

The_Guardians · October 23, 2005, 6:05am

Yes it is possible but requires a good amount of concentration, quite easy when you are tired and not set on anything…

Religicide · October 23, 2005, 7:18am

This is the only way I can get to the sleep paralysis stage outside of afternoon naps.

sirius_black · October 23, 2005, 1:45pm

lol, i’ve never experienced SP yet, but i’d like to soon

Basilus_West · October 23, 2005, 5:29pm

Yes, it has been done by many LD’ers.

sirius_black · October 23, 2005, 6:09pm

i think you mean many EXPERIENED LD’ers:P
cos i’ve tried a few times but i’ve never really succeeded

tris69 · October 24, 2005, 6:08am

Which method will most likely work:

WBTB combined with MILD
or
WBTB combined with WILD

???

sirius_black · October 24, 2005, 7:20am

ehh i think WBTB is for WILD, MILD is only to do inside a dream so WILD is most probable to work i think

Basilus_West · October 24, 2005, 2:20pm

I remember that some (very few) gifted people succeeded the first times they tried. So you don’t need to be experienced.

In a statistical point of view, MILD is most likely to work. But you have to try by your own to know what works better for you.

Not at all. WBTB has been first designed by Pr Laberge to work with his MILD method. BTW, the original MILD method includes WBTB.

girby · October 26, 2005, 2:46pm

im not so sure that you have to be extremely experienced.im pretty sure im not gifted cuz ive been attempmting wild for the past few months with no success. according to the attempts ive talked about on the irc chatroom though, im not that far away. i can reach the border between awake and drreaming where you start to get “pullled in” but thats the furthest ive gotten. i always wake or drift off around that point. the ONLY time i do wild is in the middle of class and when i first goto sleep at night. my schedule doesnt allow for waking up and disturbing my sleep during the night.i think determination is really all thats needed to successfully wild at any time.

mystic · October 26, 2005, 7:00pm

I’ve just read that the official term for a REM period upon falling asleep in the evening is a SOREMP: Sleep Onset REM Period. It might have something to do with lower melatonin levels. Scientists have found out that SOREMP operates via a different physiological mechanism when compared to sleep onset Non-REM periods.

Finally, the study by Takeuchi, et al. studies REM and NREM dreams in a different way. They propose that dreams may be affected by prior REM and NREM periods as well as external stimulation during NREM periods. They performed their study by inducing sleep onset REM periods (SOREMPs) and sleep onset non-REM periods (NREMPs) in healthy individuals. To do this, they used the Sleep Interruption Technique (SIT). The purpose of the study was to investigate the quantitative and qualitative differences between SOREMP dreams and NREMP dreams.

They found that dream reports were very likely in SOREMP and that recall failure and reports of no dreams were related to NREMP. Furthermore, they found that the amount of REM significantly contributed to the likelihood of dream recall in SOREMP and that the amount of stage W significantly contributed to the likelihood of dream recall in NREMP. Finally, they found that compared to NREMP dreams, SOREMP dreams were clearer, more explicit, more memorable, more vivid, noisier, more dynamic and had more activity. When they eliminated results that may have been contaminated by arousal factors such as body movements, non-descending stage shifts or the appearance of stage W, they found that all of the SOREMP reports contained dreams and none of the NREMP reports contained dreams.

Taken from: www.carlos-m.net/2005/03/24/dreaming-in … rem-sleep/

StEvE21 · October 28, 2005, 1:31am

I have been attempting WILD when i first go to bed, just to get some experience with it. So far, the farthest I have gotten is hearing HH.