Being consious all the way from wake to dream.

Yesterday night when I went to bed I thought to myself; why not dream a lucid dream tonight?! So I lied down on the bed and let my body rest, after a while a noticed that my thoughts became “alive” and I started to experience my thoughts more as reality then just thoughts. I guess I was in that state that is called Hypnogogia or something like that? Anyways it is the state where you think about a song or a tune and you actually hear the song as it was playing for real.

Usually this is where I stop being consious and fall asleep - but yesterday I didn’t; that is I stayed consious and moved through the hypnogogia state, into the lucid dream state.

I have never heard of anyone doing this and never heard about such a technique. Probably I am just being ignorant and I am sure there must be other people who have done this before me :tongue:. Anyways I think that it was a very smoothly induced lucid dream and I didn’t need to do any reality check or something like that - cause I never went unconsious. I recomend everyone of doing this.

PS! Please do not hesitate to ask questions about a more detailed explination of “how I did it” - didn’t write here here since I was unsure if it was of intrest to anyone… Oh and sorry for spelling to badly, but english is not my native language.

You’re not alone. There is a technique for this called WILD - Wake Induced Lucid Dream.

I wish everyone could do this. It is harder for some. I’ve only been able to do this very few times, but it’s really great when you can.

sigh I keep trying to do this but with no success. I always just fall asleep. Damn… someday I will do it though.

I try to do that every night… EVERY SINGLE NIGHT, and does it ever work? nooooo… I always fall unconscious. lol.

So please, if you will, elaborate more on how you managed not to lose your consciousness, but yet you were able to keep your CONSCIOUS thoughts quiet enough so as to not wake you up completely? :happy:

I still think that getting WILD in the evening is virtually impossible, you must sleep those magical 5-6 hours to get the sleep cycle running and getting the rem-cycle longer to increase the odds.
I’m quite frequent WILDer, and never had wild without wbtb.

Great to hear that I am not alone and that other people have experienced WILD’s as well. I definately prefer WILD before any other “methods”. You asked me for an elaboration on my WILD so here it goes.

I had some thoughts that I would do some LD soon, but didn’t really intend a WILD at the time I went to bed. It might be intressting to know that at that point didn’t know that a WILD was possible. I went to bed one or two hours after midnight, and that is about 2 hours after a generally go to sleep. I had lots of energy and was not worn out - even thought I was quite tired.

Okey that was the simple setting that I guess that anybody can copy and try. Now follows a presentation of “things” that I think had something to do with me succeeding with WILD.

  1. Hypnogogia: First of all I have been exploring the Hypnogogia state (Hypnogogia is a well described neurological phenomenon that can occur when one is waking up - hypnopompic - or going to sleep - hypnogogic. It is an in-between state where one is neither fully awake nor fully asleep. In this state very realistic images and sounds can be experienced). The reason for me being intressted in Hypnogogia is because that I have found out that when I think about music (when I am in this state) then the thoughts comes alive and I actually hear music. Since I am not a good at making music when I am awake, I kind of enjoy the liberty of being able to “make” the kind of music that I like and being able to manipulate the music that “I hear” as I prefer it. I have not bin working with this state that much though, but it have happend a few times.

  2. Mindfullness: Since I am intressted in zen and meditation, I have tried to practise mindfullness in my daily life. That is that I have tried to be as consious as possible of what I am doing or experiencing at the moment and tried to avoid daydreaming and retreating from life into the safty of my thoughts and fantasy. Mindfullness is like what ever you do - do it, i.e. if you do something, then do that something and nothing else. Mindfullness does not neccesarly have anything to do with being involved or interaction. It is related to “letting go”. Letting go is just that - just let go. What ever you are holding on to, just let it go. So when I say that I try to practise being mindfull it does not mean that I am concentrating exetremly hard and strain myself, because I try my best to let all that which I hold on to simply go. I am by no means a zen master, not even a zen student and I am actaully not really sure what I am talking about - but still I think this might have had some inpact on my WILD.

Anyways, this particular night when I did the WILD, I went to bed and decided that I wanted to be mindfull about my body and my thoughts. I felt that body was relaxing and undertstood that I was entering Hypnogogia since my thoughts triggered scenarious and that my fantasies became more and more real. Usually this is where I blackout, but this night I felt that I wasn’t that tired and I (being mindfull) simply observed the process taking place. My brain created scenarious and that noticed that, that which I thought, that became in a scence real. I figured that okk now I am doing LD.

It was (as it always is for me when I LD) as there were two layers. The first layer is the “me” (my thoughts and emotions etc.) and the other layer is the environment and situation that the “me” is travelling through. Just as it is in when I am awake. The diffrence being that if I try hard enough when LD, I can change the environment and situation accordingly to my whishes. When thinking back on the WILD that I did, I recon that the first layer, the “me”, stayed unchanged - it was the same all the way from being wake to the LD. But the second layer (environment and situations and scenarious) emerged slowly as I sank into Hypnogogia, and then grew stronger untill the it (the second layer) was comprahemd by the “me” as a real world.

Finally I will conclude by suggesting a method of doing a WILD. That is that one should not be dead-tired when going to bed. Have enough energy to be mindfull. Do not do anything, do not try anything. If you feel you hold onto something, a thought or something else, then simply let go of that - but stay mindfull. If you begin to experience thoughts as reality and scenarious, then be mindfull of what you experience but do not emerge yourself in the scenarious to much - this might be a bit tricky! It is all about an act of balance. If you have ever done LD then you know what I am talking about, to much excitment will wake you up and to little will make you blackout - practise practise practise and learn about how to do it - just in the same way as when you learned how to drive.

I do hope that you have success in your WILD and that this post could help you somewhat in your progress. I am sure that you will manage sooner or later - I guess patient is a virtue :wink: when it comes to LD.

PS! If you have trubble of entering the Hypnogogia at will, then be mindfull about your body. Another advice would be to think about a song that you like - when you actually “hear it” then you are on your way. :happy:

I never heard about WILD before yesterday so maybe you are right that WILD is much easier to get after using WBTB method. However when I did it I had not had any nap and definately not for 5-6 hours. In my case it is obviously not neccesary with the REM cycle.

WBTB is not necesarry for WILD but makes it heaps easier for some.Especially for those who dont get hypnagogics very often.Its just helpfull.
Another way to do it is to deprive yourself of sleep for some time.

Okay, i personally do not like WILD’s due to you have lesser control over your subcunsiosness if you compare it to DILD’s. A wild grows and grows until you have passed from your bed to your dream… you know what i mean… But it is a rare experience that is realy great to do.

Okay… I normally just lie there in my bed, getting in somekind of good position where my body is in relaxement. As described in the upbow post just being “mindfull”, as he put it, of the body and just let things happen. You will feel your body more and more relaxed, but allso some part of your subconsiusness. Here is when you begin to hear things that isnt there, Music, sounds and other stuff. I normally just hear something that is easy to imagine. You can change the music by will, much like you do in a LD. Here is when you are to imagine somekind of place, Anyplace that is where you want to “travel” into. This can be tricky I can imagine, due to if you concentrate… to much, you will be more consiusness about the present world. (I normally do this with my eyes open, then i actually can see when my LD world becomes more vivid due to at a surtian point my eyes will black out, (Not closed) And i will be in a pale LD world.) When you are doing this correctly, The sound will get higher and higher, (at least for me) and then at a surtian point it will start to fade away and the LD world will be more and more vivid infront of your “eyes”. At first it will just be a image, but the more you let your body relax and go to sleep it will be more and more vivid. when you body is fully asleep you will be in your LD world. I was astunned when i did this the first time due to i had not read about this, I think i was… umm… 14?. Ive just loosely heard about the therm “LD” then. But be warned, At least for me, i experienced the 2 layer dream. Its the most irritating stuff of all. You dont have total control.

hmm, Okay, when i am on the subject i am letting you know what i think that is causing the 2 layer stuff. (which i have experienced myself)
One part is your own consiusness and the other is the subconsiusness. You are integrating between them in form of need and hints on what you want to do.

I agree strongly with the part about second-order (layer) dreams being very annoying. In addition to that, they can also be extremely scary, especially on a vivid lucid dream. There is a great example that happened to me a while back, but maybe I will tell it some other day.

**If anybody finds a way to create a permenant place in a dream where you can keep coming back to it at will, post the solution. I just can’t seem to do it.

I have reached the hypnogogia when trying to get a WILD, but then i startle a bit, or for some reason get a scary sensation of something, so i wake up abit, or then i think that i just black out…
i must try to goto sleep when im not dead tired, i suppose that could help.
thanks for sharing that, i think that method will help me more now that i know what i was experiencing then.