Who’s reaction? The people? I didn’t just start telling them about how I already met them lol. It tends to creep people out. My friend told me about my visit to her dreams. She remembers every dream, unlike me…
To prove a thing which doesn’t exist is very hard (I don’t want to make it sounds like that it’s about this topic, it’s just an example).
In parallel to this topic I want you to believe that I believe that pink elephant can fly (I don’t say that i’m being sarcastic or whatever because I truly believe in that, so if it’s what I believe, you can’t judge me.)
So I once met a pink flying elephant in the sky but I didn’t take a picture because I didn’t have a cam so I made you a representation of this pink elephant so you can see it by yourself
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“Yes, I do believe that pink flying elephant is possible”.
I don’t understand what you are getting at… Can you re-word it?
I think that the ears of the pink elephants are not only use to ear. Then how Dumbo can fly ? Ok he is not pink that’s why it’s a fiction.
Riiiiight… I agree, Dumbo has HUGE ears. Interestingly enough the eardrum actually sits above the ears.
What a coincidence I didn’t know 
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Well it’s strange but maybe it has 2 functions…
Like the brain which can think and communicate with other brains, phone is so mainstream 
Do you really trust people THAT much? Thousands of people have said that they’ve been abducted by aliens. Does that mean they were really abducted? Thousands of people said that they’ve seen some kind of miracles like jumping sun in the sky etc. Does that mean that these things are real? Billions of people have seen or think they’ve seen, or simply believe in some sort of God. Does that mean that a God exists? My point here is that people’s anecdotical personal experiences must NOT, under any circumstances be regarded as a scientifical proof. Since the times of modern science skeptics agreed, that for something to be true, it must be supported by verifiable, testable and repeatable evidence. People’s experiences, unfortunately, do not meet any of these requirements. You may ask why? Well, simply because it’s damn easy to manipulate a human’s mind. We are so innacurate, we lie without knowing it, we exaggerate stuff, we are never right when it comes to telling others what we saw or heard. There was a scientifical experiment. Random people were asked to watch a street robbery. They were later questioned and asked to tell what they’ve seen. The results were simple - there were no identical stories. For some people, the robber wore a blue hat, for others - he wore no hat. For some people, he stole a red purse, for other people, he stole a black one. There were simply too many contradictions. And, worst of all, all those people were 100% sure about what they were saying. It’s terrible that out judicial system, based on witnesses’ supposed “truth” is still working. We are TERRIBLY easy to manipulate. If we don’t remember something, we “fill in the gaps” with the first available information and adapt it to our stories. It all happens involuntarily, we lie, without realising it. And that’s just one example. If you are really believing the existence of shared dreams just because some people experienced it, you’re not on the scientifical side, unfortunately. I would even argue my own experiences. Our, or others experiences are not to be trusted. They must be supported by physical evidence.
Then, because of the above reasons, you’re not a man of science, because the “proof” you’re talking about is not considered as real proof. You’re merely an open-minded person. Of course, there’s nothing wrong with it, as we all have our own views of the world and we all accept information differently.
Paulius, would you marry me ?
If you want dagto, I can arrange the ceremony… 
Patience my friend, patience… I believe that there will be real and scientific prove for this, don’t worry.
So by your definition of things one can not be open minded, scientifically oriented and still believe in things that are not yet possible to prove all at once?
Well maybe you are right, maybe it is contradictory to it self but still I think that’s the only way of really understand things at the most, because looking things at all points of view and at the end create a conclusion from all this, makes a very valid point, which at the end you create only for yourself…
And believe me, I say that I am a man of science because in science I believe most, very big percentage of science is nothing more then a theories that are still not proved, and I mean on more abstract things…
I don’t wan’t to go into details because I’m not qualified enough to do that, for that matter not even enough to discuss this topic but still if a man that is scientist for whole his life, can say that we don’t know much and that he still wonders about things, can prove to you that as much as science is powerful that much is week too…
And if you blindly believe in one thing and disbelieve another then I can not discuss this things with you guys, because it’s like talking to a wall… I say white, you say black and that’s it… It was a good talk guys, but still we wondered from a topic… Good luck though, proving to yourself or disproving me… 
Still thinking about what kind of proof science have about transmit/receive theta/gamma/beta waves… Since this is my field of intrest, I would gladly hear the answer to this one
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In a shared dream maybe? 
Hmm my friend dB_FTS, I think you don’t get what our captain Paulius was trying to say. If I can interpret what he says… You are not a man of science and if I was an alien I would say that you are a monkey and not a human (not offensive you’ll discover why I say that). The proper of Human being is to know: WHY ? The human lives to knows why !
They made a good experience with a (human) baby and a monkey. They have put them in front of a prop which has the shape of an L. And all the 2 wondered why, when you put it upside down it falls.
The monkey tried every position of the L to put it right, so the L doesn’t fall and he succeed.
BUT the baby didn’t tried every position, when the L fell down he caught it and he analyzed it in all forms to understand why the L fell down.
But you you don’t want to know why ! You are saying “HEY GUYZ ! Telepathy does exist” and when we want you to explain how does it work, you can’t answer.
We can’t explain the inertia (movement) but we face it EVERYDAY that’s why we know it exists, but you are saying that a few people in the world has strange super telepathic power which is against all the scientific knowledge and that we can’t explain does exist ? And do you want us to approve you ? (rhetorical question).
We want you to say WHY! that’s the scientific way. My elephant is pink and flying, your argument is invalid.
PS: I have 2 and more cons-proof for your theory:
-That’s approximatively 2500 years that human being has hyper evolved (civilization) and why nobody has wrote or let a manual titled “how to telepathic”
-How can you say that the vibrations that the brain emits can be translated ? And are you sure that those vibrations is a sort of communication ?
-You are saying that you are the only one (you are in a group of few man) that discovered the “astral blabla” and all the other scientists didn’t noticed it or denied it because they are not open minded ?
Source: REALITY
Man I’m so laughing right now >_< !
I’ll get my telepathic helmet for you.
Pink flying elephant everywhere !!!
PS: I saw pink elephants flying in pack when I was outside today ! I made a representation of them:
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The fact that something hasn’t been proven yet does by no means indicate that it doesn’t exist. Scientists may only base their opinions on experimental evidence, sure, but they still have to have an open mind. It bothers me that people assume that things unproven by science, or rejected by science, must be completely false. Look at Aristotle and his theory of the elements, and how everyone scorned Democritus for believing that matter was composed of tiny particles called “atomos” because it was different from the most popular explanation at the time.
If you hadn’t gotten the point yet, I believe that shared dreaming is real 
You are out of the debate my friend. you are using out of subject examples. Because the 2 explanations formed a true explanation: Everything is linked and the humanity wanted to know what is that matter etc… so if it’s fire or atomos for the human it’s the same (extrapolation sorry kind of 
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I will still use my example of my pink flying elephant which is more serious than your shared dreaming.
You are saying that it’s unproven by science or rejected, man it’s not that, science has more important things to do than exploring crazy story of 10 men.
All of you guys, all of you that believe in shared dreaming are just trying to fill a lack of knowledge on this domain, because we don’t know many about the brain and the sleep so you are saying: “shared dreams, why not, you can’t prove me i’m wrong” and you are partially right but “pink flying elephant, you can’t prove me 'im wrong” works too.
“… there is no shame in not knowing. The problem arises when irrational thought and attendant behavior fill the vacuum left by ignorance.” -Neil de Grasse
They say ignorance is a bliss!
Well, you are right as is Paulius. But I only have one more question for you guys.
Compare the shared dreaming with lucid dreaming. What the difference? They are both very abstract and you may say that lucid dreaming is not because it’s proved that exists… Yes, but lucid dreaming was not proved once like shared dreaming is not proved today and let me ask you how must have S.Laberge felt when he said that he will prove existence of lucid dreaming and majority of scientists and doctors were laughing and saying that this is simply not possible and yet with help of technology he proved them wrong…
For centuries Tibetan monks most have been considered to be monkeys or something else until the “modern” people and population didn’t figure that this is actually real as they are…
Like I said: ignorance is a bliss and also Enistein said: Logic gets you from point A to point B, imagination gets you everywhere…
Try to apply this to this discussion and your life…
I think you’re a bit too disrespectful here. First of all, I don’t think there is even a point in arguing whether it exists or not, because scientists haven’t proven nor disproven it. It may or may not make sense to you, but taking a ‘‘I’m definitely right’’ attitude in something you have no proof of is not right.
Personally, I don’t think it is possible, but nothing I say can convert the believers.
So you’re saying that it doesn’t exist because science couldn’t prove it…but they didn’t even care to try?
You don’t realise the difference? Shared dreaming requires telephatic abilities (the supposed ability of two different human minds to connect and succesfully share and perceive information using brain waves). Lucid dreaming, fortunately, doesn’t require telephacy. It is merely a dream, where your conscious brain section is active. Everything in a LD is biologically possible. Not everything in a shared dream is biologically possible.
And please, all shared dreaming supporters - don’t post out-of-date arguments like this:
Simply realise, that science didin’t exist at that time. Now, since the times of Galileo, Newton, Einstein etc. we have made huge progress. We know, with a well defined borders what we should test, what we should belive in, and what we should reject. We know what is absurd, and shared dreaming, in this case, is. There have been efforts to prove the existence of telephacy, no one succeeded. You may of course say - “Well, noone believed S. LaBerge either about LD’ing.”. But please, it was damn 30 years earlier. Noone had a clue about how huge the science of neurology is. Noone had a clue what dreams are. In this 21st century, we know a lot. We have modelled our brain using computers, we know what each part of the brain is responsible for. We have sliced through the brain and found everything what was needed. Now scientist are actually thinking of “creating” a brain, using reverse engineering - that is awesome. And you’re talking about shared dreams, which is a topic, outdated by at least 10 years. Since we know lots about the brain, enough to actually fantasize about reverse engineering it, we also know, what is absurd. Time has changed, science has changed, neuroscience has flourished. Things that were arguably impossible 20 years earlier, are now just impossible.
I think this type argument is like an atheist vs. believer. Science can’t prove that God exists, but that doesn’t mean HE doesn’t–and the believer believes by faith and experience that He is real.
I agree.
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I’m still waiting for the answer for my question about the scientists have proved that we don’t have the mechanism to receive b-waves.
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Science existed since mankind was created. It’s a term. Do you even know when the human kind discovered the size of earth? The distance to the moon? The sun? Do you have a clue? I can give you a small hint - saying galile just proves me that you have no idea what science is.
Not to offend but don’t sarcastically answer sofisticated answers that you have no grounds to base them on.
Thanks