I am not sure that is quite right. As far as I know all WTO countries have agreed to honor each others patent’s. So a patent in the US should be good in Poland as well. ( I think)
I am not sure to be honest. I’ll have to try and research that.
If the rem dreamer can’t be sold US then, perhaps we should file a lawsuit against the lucidity institute for creating a monopoly and impeding fair trade. 
So far as I know WTO not include patents, becouse all counties fight very much for save its patents, so it’s imposible that they all agreed to honor each others patent’s.
Altar.
You could be right. As I said patent and trade law is not my thing. I just have a general understanding of how it is supposed to work and it gets very confusing. I would imagine the Polish company must have found way to create a similar nova dreamer devise without violating Labarage’s copy right. So long as they did not use any proprietary technology to produce it they should be ok.
Great news folks,
I emailed Mr Adam Bytof a few days ago, he is the guy that has that website i gave you about the Rem Dreamer, anyway one of his colleagues has emailed me back,
Instead of posting the huge email of questions that i asked i will just display the mostly the asnwer and sometimes the questions aswell depending on the type of question.
Firstly i did not know this but in the reply, it said that Mr Adam Bytof is the Lucid Dreams best expert in Poland, who has written 2 books on lucid dreaming and has appeared several times on TV in Poland, but he is not the creator of the Rem Dreamer, i got the reply back from the creator and they said that Mr Adam Bytof is just there distributor.
Now lets move onto the Rem Dreamer,
It costs 95$ and it will cost outside Poland around 120$ in July.
NovaDreamer patent is U.S. patent so it doesn’t work in Poland, and the DreamMate was U.S. product.
This next bit is me
I told them about the Dream Mate and how it diasppeared after it was released due to he fact that Stephen La Berge holds a patent for the Nova Deamer.
His answer was this
We know DreamMate and as I said the DreamMate was U.S. product, but REM-Dreamer is polish so U.S. patent will not stop our production.
We can’t sell it in the USA but in Europe yes.
We don’t have got a patent for it, becouse this is already known technology, so we can’t patent it.
Okay my question
The Dream Mate was banned quicky after it was released
and if you are banned. Can you still sell it quitely
to the genral public through the internet?
His answer
We don’t know, but outside USA we can sell it normally.
this is me
next thing it seems, as they wont be able to sell to the USA, then i might import them, i am not making any promises, i will have to see how busy i am, and i can then sell them as a direct buy on ebay, i will charge probably no profit, as i believe lucid dreaming is a tool that we all have as humans and it’s not nice to make anything too expensive when all we want to do is experience them.
Now back to him
It uses two AAA battereis and rechargable batteries are also compatible
batteries will last around 2 months
and the Rem Dreamer doesn’t draw much power, so it will last for all that time.
Mr. Bytof doesn’t plan to translate his webpage.
But we will make an english webpage about REM-Dreamer in July.
REM-Dreamer hasn’t got computer interface and it will not have it in future, because we think this is not necessary to induce LDs.
prioce is 95 US Dollars + shipping in Poland, outside Poland it is 120 US Dollars + shipping.
Now this is me, I would say
shipping is about 35 US Dollars
Him again
we are not the creator of the dream flasher, the REM-Dreamer will be selling in July from another website.
DreamFlasher is not our product.
Mr. Bytof was selling the dream flasher for 60 $ + shipping. and the deramflasher website was selling them at 77dollars + shipping
me again
Now the strange thing is at the end of the email he said
yours Mr Pawell H and i remember recieving that same name when i wrote an email to the dremaflasher website about that device, so it seems that these people are working with them.
Anyway i hope my writing was not too hard to understand.
So the product seems really good, in the end they are right in the way it does not have to be like a supernova dreamer, and at theis kind of price we could open it up and turn it into a super nova dremer in the future.
Happy Lucid Dreaming
ok, don’t laugh…
can once of you explain to me what a nova dreamer is? i mean i understand that it’s a device you put on your head that helps you LD, but…how? 
details, please!!
thanks
sarah
It is quite simple: on that mask there are some LEds which detects when your eyes are moving rapidly (REM) and then they deliver some light flashes. You have to train yourself to recognize those flashes in your dream and become lucid.
I guess you can spend the same amount of time training yourself to recognize some of your dream symbols/patterns and become lucid without any device 
Take care,
HS
Minor correction: The LEDs (Light Emitting Diodes) are the things that actually flash. Some sensor is used to work out when you are in REM - I’m not sure how it works. Alternatively, it could use a simple time alarm - you can create this sort of thing easily and cheaply.
sweeeeet
RockMyAllStars
Right now the nova dreamer is obsceenly priced at $500.00 dollars in the US and $700.00 in europe.
The nova dreamer is supposed to send you cues while you are in REM sleep. ( hopefully flashing lights) but how the lights are incorporated into the dream varies from person to person. Some people report seeing things like fireworks or lighting while others say the cues are more subtle like colors being brighter than normal. Right now the nova dreamer is obscenely priced at $500.00 dollars in the US and $700.00 in Europe. Of course there is no guarantee that it will work for you. Like r3m0t said, with a little creativity and a cheep timer you can get the same effects. I would probably buy the rem dreamer at $120.00 to help get me through dry spells.
If you want you can check it out here: lucidity.com
Good luck
Hi folks,
I have found that in the USA you can buy a Nova Dreamer for 275 US Dollars, another place had them selling for 300 US Dollars, on ebay someone was bidding for a brand new one, he already had one and recieved one as a gift from a relative and decided to bid for it on ebay for 175 US Dollars, in Europe they sell for £300 which is about 550 US Dollars.
I have been reading some of the other topics on this forum, that discusses how people have been making their own Nova Dreamers that actually work well, which is amazing. You know you could probably spend about 60 US Dollars, or maybe even less and make your own Rem Dreamer but you would have to be pretty skilled in soldering, and you would need the time and dedication in order to make it, and if one thing goes wrong your in for loosing a bit of money here and there in the production, but then you have the possibilty of buying a Rem Dreamer for 120 US Dollars and you know its going to work perfectly because these have been tested throughly by a team of creators and you would be getting an exact working device. I see that these amateurs here making their own Nova Dreamer are not always going to work perfectly, but if your going to get a Rem Dreamer your not going to be disappointed.
anyway i can see milod789 that you seem interested in getting one, i will just let you know, that it will not be possible to buy them in the USA so as i live in Europe i can import them and send you one, so if you are interested like i said in a previous post, just post a reply saying that your intrested and i will setup an ebay store where you can purchase one.
Happy Lucid Dreaming
thanks for the info, Milod789.
cheers
sarah
What? You’re kidding me. How did it get so overpriced? I thought it was originally $275 or something. It took quite a long time with huge bouts of miscommunication for me to get mine (and I don’t even use it!).
Guess I should dust it off and try my luck with it once more.
I do not know how it got so obscenely priced. Though, I thought it was overpriced at $275.00 Here is a link to the check out page so you can see for your self:
128.121.104.103/luciddream-conne … eamer.html
You are going to get a bunch of people PM ing you now trying to buy your nova dreamer.
Finally there is an english webpage about REM-Dreamer on site www.remdreamer.com
Everyone from every country can order this device from this site.
Altar
awesome! anyone going to buy this? Let us know what it is all about!
I’ve already ordered it. The minute I saw Altar’s post
Thank you Altar!
I’ll let you know what it’s like when I get it.
Let us know how you make out with it. If it works it will most likely put the nova dreamer out of business.
or make it cheaper.
it’s also quite surprising just HOW MUCH it looks like the nova dreamer 
Once someone has been able to test this thing, please give some feedback if it works. couse i’ll order it right away when someone who bought it tells it works. thanks