# Help needed

**URL:** <https://community.ld4all.com/t/help-needed/40454>\
**Category:** General Lucidness\
**Created:** [April 20, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://community.ld4all.com/t/help-needed/40454 "2016-04-20T23:59:51Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 3\
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**Author:** ![frgoad](https://community.ld4all.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/ecccb3/32.png) [@frgoad](https://community.ld4all.com/u/frgoad)\
**Post date:** [April 20, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://community.ld4all.com/t/help-needed/40454/1 "2016-04-20T23:59:51Z")

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What is the perfect thing to prove your out of body?While lucid dreaming?

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**Author:** ![Transcender](https://community.ld4all.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@Transcender](https://community.ld4all.com/u/Transcender)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 2:15am UTC](https://community.ld4all.com/t/help-needed/40454/2 "2016-04-21T02:15:16Z")

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1. Have a friend/family member place a card in another room without telling you what it is.

2. Go there in an LD,

3. Report what you saw.

4. Repeat the experiment

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**Author:** ![Leopold\_The\_Hippo](https://community.ld4all.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/ac8455/32.png) [@Leopold\_The\_Hippo](https://community.ld4all.com/u/Leopold_The_Hippo)\
**Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 2:56am UTC](https://community.ld4all.com/t/help-needed/40454/3 "2016-04-21T02:56:12Z")

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If you want to prove it to yourself,  
i have heard that you should look in a mirror.

If you are in a Lucid Dream your reflection will be there, and you can possibly talk to it

In and OBE however, there will be no reflection, just a shimmering sort of energy.

Of course if you believe that you are in an OBE while just LDing, you could create a schema by accident and see energy by accident, so try not to predict what will be there.