I keep wondering when the World will uncover LD'ing

I wonder when the world will truly discover the endless possibilities of lucid dreaming. Could you imagine a world in which LD’ing was everywhere, reality checking was a second nature for everyone, and useful machines and supplements hit the shelves. How easy would it be to LD if it was plastered everywhere?

Anybody have any thoughts on this? :spinning:

I think it would be wonderful for everyone if lucid dreaming was part of our ever day lives. Hell, I’d love it if people considered dreaming as something important!! Even as someone who is not inherently spiritual, lucid dreaming is the perfect way to explore one’s own psyche and become comfortable with fears and passions.

I don’t know why dreaming is not something viewed as essential as sleep itself since it has helped me to cope with depression and waking terrors more than any therapy or medication has. It boggles my mind.

If everyone could LD, research about it would be very advanced ! So we could know whether dream communicating and all that dream borderline stuff is true or not. That would be great !

However… This world would be extremely scary as well. Surely, media / TV / firms / commercials would tap the world of dreams, its amazing possibilities and its influence over our lives. So we could have dream-integrated ads, or ads before you dream, dreams that are advertising a product or a cause… And that, trust me, I would really hate it :sad:

The world would be so much different, it would be great. And who knows, maybe it’ll get more well known in the years to come. I would love to see more research in Lucid Dreams and new technology for it.

It’s not really that it’s “not known”. It’s just that most people find reality more important. Even if and when virtual reality simulators are invented and readily available, I’m sure there will still always be quite a number of people who would never touch them.

I’ve talked to a bundle of people about my lucid dreaming, about the things I play around with, and they think it’s cool and all, but they don’t care enough to put themselves in that situation… I’m really the only one I know that even talks about LD’s around me, and everyone around me knows what they are.

I guess what I’m really trying to say is, everyone has their interests and priorities. I have a sibling that is obsessed with programming, and the stock market, and he is always talking to me about how great it is, how much money can be made, but I just don’t care. It’s not an interest of mine.

I don’t think the world works the way you think it works. That sort of thing is impossible at this point in time… and seeing as advancements in the science of telepathy -cough- might as well be at a standstill, I figure it will be a good 80-100 years before the media finds a way to communicate directly to our brains.

I didn’t say it would happen soon… It’s just something that will happen if LDs are uncovered, not in the upcoming 100 years (although I’m not that sure of that, scientists can already know very approximately what you’re thinking, although not in real time yet), but it’s something that must not be neglected…
Besides, this is not about our real world but about one we would imagine :razz:

Lucid dreaming isn’t part of the Western culture, so some people tend to feel a bit uncomfortable about it.
And I don’t really think ignoring lucid dreams just because you find reality more important makes any sense to be quite honest, if you consider how much it would affect real life, and it doesn’t even sacrifice any time because it happens while you sleep anyway.

It’s also interesting to see how much people in general try to avoid the subject whenever it’s brought up - when I post things on Facebook there is always at least a couple persons who Like it, but every single time I mention something about lucid dreaming not a single person Likes it all of a sudden. :tongue:

I said nothing about ignoring. But yes, you can easily ignore LD’s. As I said… interests… Writers, Artists, Actors. Those are LDers. People who read books, watch movies, and go to art gallerys are NDers. Those are what they prefer. Quite often I would rather explore than experience what I create myself. But you can easily ignore lucid dreams. Sure, they occasionaly might happen, but so do essays, and reading road signs. But it’s not something they’re going to go to work and tell everyone about, looking forward to having another one the next night.

As I said in my original post. I don’t think Lucid dreaming is as veiled as you think it is.

Ofcourse it can effect your life, but so can anything in reality. It just depends on what you are interested in.

I believe that enough people have been exposed to lucid dreaming to validate that it is just as mundane to them as a lot of interests are to us.

I guess your vision of the future is a bit more bleak than mine. :shy:

Than mine too, since I think there would be enough of a public outcry to make any such technology illegal. I’d cite the point that subliminal advertising is illegal in at least the UK and Australia with harsh penalties, as a basis for my point of view.

Subliminal advertising is a method by which the advert is engineered in such a way that you don’t consciously process it, but the suggestion seeps through to your subconscious. An example is flashing a picture of a steaming cup of tea on the screen too quickly to be consciously seen. The result is you start to consider having a cup of tea and if you are a tea-drinker, likely have one.

Dream advertising would only be one threat though… how about dream / thought spying or “inception” ? New kinds of torture through nightmares ? And I’m not sure mankind’s first contact with dream characters would be that peaceful too (especially on dream-territory conflicts)…

My perception of this thread was inaccurate. Back on the track what the OP is about, I have to disagree that this would be a good thing, like you say. If it was so fascinating to everyone everywhere, I’m fairly confident a significant majority would consider dreams more important, or attractive than real life. They would become trapped, like myself… And that… Would be devastating to the human race. There would be all kinds of physical and mental damage to the current reality of them.

I myself am not able to function without others help and patience. The only reason I survive in this world is because of the nurturing others give me. If the world was filled with people trapped in dreams, I could very well imagine humans would be at risk of extinction. Believe me. Life is difficult, and I dare say down right impossible for me, and it is not as great as you believe it would be. It’s a forbidden fruit really. Once you’ve had more than enough it starts to make you sick, and others could not understand how damaging it can really be, biased by what they ignorantly desire.

Holy shit, that escalated quickly…

“Slippery slope” frame of thinking there, Lumme.

I think dreams will become like… the evolution of Internet, with everyone connecting to each other’s mind, and stuff… If you follow this reasoning, there will always be dream addicts, as there are internet addicts, but most people will keep going out and meet others. And at worst, they’d keep meeting in other people’s dreams? :happy: (of course, I assume dream sharing is possible here and has been intensively researched)

I… aweful. I meant to quote this post, not yours vaga.
Fixed. Thankyou Vaga.

It annoys me quite a lot how so many people watching YouTube videos about lucid dreaming seem to have such an immature attitude to the subject and treat it as some kind of dark art pseudo-science.
The standard comments on these videos are almost always of the type “Is this **** real?”, “…acid”, “I’m gonna smurf Megan Fox”, “can you die if you do this?”, “I had sleep paralysis and I was almost possessed by demons!” etc.
There really seems to be no limit to their weird imaginations.

I haven’t noticed this nearly as often on videos by LD4All, Lucidipedia and World of Lucid Dreaming though, because that’s the kind of videos that mature lucid dreamers usually watch.