I don’t understand how you can have a LD before a REM period. however, after reading about people doing WILD during the first part of your sleep. same with instant lucidity. I also once went to bed, then next thing i knew, i was in a dream.
Since when you’re in deep sleep you’re not concouis, perhaps the time to go from awake to lucid is none. So you go straight in there a few hours and you appear there conciously. Because in my LD, i woke up like 12-1 AM and going to sleep at 11 PM
Well my thought is you don’t remember the parts where you’re not dreaming, so I guess sometimes it might seem you’re in a dream quicker than other times?
well, During WBTB, you will most likely wake up in a REM period, so when you do a WILD or something, you’ll end up in a dream.
I’ll source wikipedia for you
(NREM 1) The first stage is a transition state between wakefulness and sleep. This is the stage that hypnogogic imagery occurs in. It usually passes into stage 2 within a few minutes.
(NREM 2) During stage 2, the body gradually shuts down, and brain waves become longer in wavelength.
(NREM 3) Stage 3 usually occurs 30 to 45 minutes after falling asleep the first time. Large, slow delta brain waves are generated.
(NREM 4) Stage 4 is often called “deep sleep” or “delta sleep”. The heart beats the slowest and there is the least brain activity. It is during this stage that sleepwalking usually occurs.
After stage 4, the NREM stages reverse and move back to stage 2, and then into REM sleep.
(REM) During REM sleep, some parts of the brain are nearly as active as while awake. In this stage, your eyes flicker rapidly (hence the acronym Rapid Eye Movement). Your body is paralyzed, probably to prevent you from acting out your dreams.
It’s well known it’s very hard to have a WILD during the first part of sleep. And most of the LD’s happen in REM sleep.
Now, some WILD’ers have been recorded during stage 2 of sleep. This is not a normal stage 2 indeed, brain waves are slightly modified and it looks more like meditation.
Moreover, some people have SOREM sleep (sleep onset REM sleep): they enter REM sleep very quickly. SOREM sleep also may happen more frequently during naps.
I’ve actually tried to keep track of the time of my REM. I’ve found out that my REM sleep occur 2-3 hours after falling asleep (Really vivid dreams which are easy to remember occurs here).
Where did you found out this information? Delta waves generally occurs during deep sleep (stage 3 and 4), and I don’t remember having seen anywhere that there were dreams in deep sleep.
Certainly because you woke up after the second sleep cycle. Each sleep cycle is lasting 90 minutes and we have REM sleep at the end of it.
That explains some things wrong with me. I have been doing LD right when I get into bed (WILD). I better start waking up later and trying. Last night I had an LD (DILD) but it lasted for like 20 seconds and I don’t remember anything after that. Thanks for the help!
I remember a topic from quite some time ago. Someone on here had his own EEG and he experimented with meditation in dreams, had some interesting experiences, Then when looking over the EEG results found that his brainwaves had slowed down alot, even so low that his equipment could not register them. It may be special cirsumstances but it’s an example of some dream material from nonREM sleep.
There is the more obvious examples of nightterrors, wich occur in delta sleep. There is obviously alot of dreaming going on then, But it’s mostly never remembered.
I have read here and there of dreams in nonREM sleep. There is no reason at all to deny them. Sleepwalking and nightterrors prove them to be a fact.
I’ve also read that some highly trained individuals(If I remember, a sufi guy wrote about it, and practitioners of Tibetan dream yoga) have been lucid in deep sleep, and had no dreams, just clear consciousness. To them this was preferable.
