LD's bad for you?

moved from adventures :moogle:

I’ve had several LDs and I do feel a lot better if I had them, it’s like I was getting better sleeping quality?

For those out there who wanna do really messed up things in a lucid dream … Don’t you guys think it could be bad in some way?

with messed up I mean:

  • Decapitating ppl
  • Decapitating yourself
  • Eat other ppl
  • Push ppl off building
  • Or just simply hurt or kill ppl in any way
  • Rule the world and have everyone else to work for you as slaves
  • And other sick stuff…

Not like I’d wanna try this stuff lol (no offfense to ppl who would want to try that)
I was just wondering if it could be bad for you, the way you grow up & stuff…

So, what do you think about it?

There are dreamers who do it almost every time, ask Wyvern :lol: half his dreams are pretty visual and cruel; there was even an entire violence in LD topic some time ago.

Aside from this, my point would be, let’s compare violence in LD’s to violence in videogames:

  • In videogames (like GTA), it feels pretty normal to go around, shooting people and things, doing the gangsta life; the fact is, are you aware of the fact you are impersonating someone else, and that character is not the real you? Sure, most of the time everyone would answer yes, but there are moments of concentration in which the line seems to fade, and you naturally associate your actions with the ones the main character’s doing.

  • Now let’s look at LD’s: in a LD, you are forced to know this is a dream in order to stay lucid; so, pretty much everytime you blow up something or kill some other, you know it is only fantasy, thus social and physic rules don’t apply at all there; i higly doubt you will wake up one day with some craving to kill the next person you meet: you did it in a dream, you had your fun, you know it was all fictional, and that’s it. You are forced to cross a definite line between RL and dreams in order to write them down; thus, you are free from the influences IWL.

Moreover, people are much more likely to associate violence with their lives if the violence they see is actually in their reach; that means, medieval battles, science ficion stuff, and fantasy stories are immediately percieved as impossible, thus you will not feel any serious desire to emulate them IRL (but then, there’s always daydreams :tongue:). Dreams work that exact way: you know throwing fireballs or transforming into a mecha is out of your RL reach, thus you just accept it and go on, till next LD at least :tongue:

Moreover, it’s useless to think of the damage caused to DC’s: they’re all fictional representations of your mind, and if you think they’re just dummies, they very certainly will be. No reason to feel sorry for them. It’s just a vivd daydream.
I can sure blow up one thousand atomic bombs in my head at once, and i doubt any damage to brain cells will follow :wink:

Sounds like great fun >_>

Ooh another list!

Aw, I’ve done all that stuff already. :tongue:
Except decapitating myself… Hmmm…

Seriously though, not bad for you. As Tosxychor said, it can be compared with violence in video games. Stress relief and such. [size=59]Or in some cases sexual pleasure…[/size]
Though, like I’ve said in another topic on the same subject, if it really becomes obsessive, maybe there are things in real life that are the bigger issue.

I’ve also worried about this. It’s a bit saddening to me that people take such destructive routes in such a constructive environment. Additionally, when I hear about people who do drugs or get drunk in LDs, it makes me highly annoyed. That is such a closed minded thing to do in a realm of infinite possibilities, I feel the same about violence in LDs.

Additionally, if you’re idea of entertainment is killing masses of innocent humans, that’s a sign of a serious mental illness. Now, if the DCs attack you out of their own free will, or if it’s like, zombies or something, then my opinion might change.

The_Ghost, I’m really glad to read such a high consideration of LD’s in other people ^^

There is any kind of free will in your dreams besides your own? :tongue: Anyway, don’t worry, I see your point: some of the DC’s are there to symbolize something, and it would be harsh, at best, to kill them, but it’s a rare case, and I’m sure you would recognize them immediately for such properties if you met them, so if you want to screw it up once or twice and to ignore their meaning and go on a raging rampage on the rest of meaningless DC’s… meh, no harm done :wink:

In dreams we do things we couldn’t or wouldn’t do in real life, and violence (and killing) is just one line of a big list. Sure, there must be motivations for a person to seek violence in dreams (videogames, fiction, bullies, and whatnot), but if he does it in dreams, he didn’t hurt anyone, and I can’t possibly think of a better rage outlet :lol:

DCs attacking you is also a sign of mental imbalance !

because nothing in LDs is real no matter how we want them to be, we have to search for novelty and raise our integrity , everyone will some day

then they become very very interesting as opposed to habitual addictions.

lots of people want to destroy themselves and go to hell, and lots of people from brainwashing think in the back of their heads about all the bad things that could happen,
so, if these two types of people meet, tragedies occur, but if people are carrying a vibration contrary and know they are fine, then they magnetize the demons elsewhere,

its a bizarre world of zombies to a large extent, where dark forces program brains through constant infusion of images and ideas, limiting the experience of love, creating an atmosphere of stress, traffic, and hostility ,

it must be unplugged by breaking the chains around you, they are very very weak chains.

eventually earth will purge a lot of negativity from herself, IMO

*i kept a plane full of people safe just by being myself somehow last night, it was tricky, this thread reminded me of it *

the collective focus of people is very dangerous , imagine what happens if they think “gosh there hasn’t been anything terrible happen in a long time?” they are creating an invocation, which is usually neutralized, this is why the tv showed planes flying into a certain building scape , being remote controleld by a shadow government, about 4 months before it really happened in person, in part of a show that is no long on the air (for obvious reasons)

As long as you keep it inside the dream it should be no problem^^ In computer games like GTA you can do alot of wierd stuff that can affect you, but LDers have a powerfull mind and im sure we can control it :smile:

I have been thinking about eating my own hand sometime :razz: Anyone tried eating themselves? how do you taste?

not really-the ancient romans had their gladiator fights and they didnt have mental disease

Hmmm interesting… I know it’s probably nothing to worry about TOO much.

How you act and what you do n stuff is what makes you who you are, so finding entertainment in haunting/hurting/killing/eating/bombing/decapitating/raping/andthelistgoeson/ DCs… I’m not sure if it could have influence on your personality, point of view and just who you are. I know there’s a biiiiig difference between RL and dreamworld, but still… lol

Comparing it to a game was smart though :happy: It’s just… IMO I think that games are still less ‘real’ compared to the ‘reality’ in LDs. I know that sounds stupid lol but what I meant is that when you play a game, it’s the character that’s representing you. For example in a game, you can be the hero you can’t be irl. But there are limits. In a LD, there are no limits, you can literally do what you want (if you are able to control the dream that is). Also, it’s not a character what’s doing the stuff, not the fingers pushing the buttons or using the mouse to make your character do what you want it to do. You just move the way you do irl… or fly =D But yeah you get my point. It’s just more ‘real’.

Even though I know I’m just dreaming and everything around me is not real… Like the other day in a LD I tried to go through an aquarium and was hoping Id transform into a fish (which didn’t work =.:content: I ended up getting stuck, after all I got outta there but the aquarium had a huge hole in it and the fish were about to die. I felt bad about it so I turned around and turned back, and made them disappear at least. Because I didn’t want to see them dying, even though It was a dream…

That’s quite the point. Games show images and make sounds, and wants to make you think you are doing the represented stuff, but you really aren’t, and can leave you a little frustrated (on the inside, without knowing), for the fact you are impersonating a character that is doing cool stuff, but that character isn’t you. You might then grow a desire to emulate him, to show the real you can do that cool stuff too. (In extreme cases, at least, but you get the general idea)
In a LD, when something happens, you really do feel you are doing it. It’s your (dream) body, it’s your movements, it’s completely up to you. It feels completely real. So, why would you feel the desire to violence IWL, if you already did it in a dream, and was better (and more guiltless) than any real act will ever be or feel?

Personally i think that whether or not there are dream characters inside the dream world who have free will is open to debate… i figure that its safer (and nicer!) to assume that some do and not go around chopping them up… but thats just me.

To answer the OPs question i think that on some level it would be bad for you… simply on the basis that i don’t really see how it could be good. I know not everyone sees LDs as part of a spiritual path, but i do and thats just my take on it :smile:

Hmm you do have a point :smile:

I don’t think ppl will really go out there and kill ppl irl but, I kinda think it might change your personality in some way though ;s

gladiator fights are mental disease

experience in this world right now is a choice of if you want to suffer separation and die by the sword and words you wield, or if you want to grow up and be one with incredible bliss and love

people are allowed to go to hell, and it is real,
look at the news if you don’t think hell is real

sure a teenager gets to throw virtual grenades but what about the little kid who is blown up by bombs and dies in agony and his mother is screaming and crying and his family hates the people who did it and they become suicide bombers to get revenge ?

DO YOU WANT TO PLAY THAT GAME ?

war is not cool, its satanic, everyone will see causally at some point, which enables them to be immersed in the beauty of being one with another in creating love , or lets them experience semi-eternal hells of great suffering as they go insane and destroy themselves (others) through darkness and paranoia,

you don’t get to be in the middle for very long because the current will pull you up or down until you choose to …

my friend sough out satanic vibrations at every chance he got, he joined the army for the desire to kill innocent people, he put others into hell, a place where he resides often

he sought out addiction and created every chance he could to try to kill people by getting into fights

he mellowed out when he decided to take refuge in cannabis and almost became a peaceful person but it didn’t last long

the difference in him and an arm-chair violence enthusiast is opportunity, some people don’t get born into situations where they can say no to guns, its never enjoyable, ever, that you are here and no bombs are going off outside, do not invoke that, please, do not use your infinite potential to create hell.

well think about it, if you have more control over dreams you have more control over your life!

OK, now I doubt your sanity :tongue:

Dreaming and controlling your dreams is probably equally “dangerous” just as when you at other times experience “evens” outside the “real” world. Reading books, listening to music, watching movies and playing video games are all equally “dangerous” as you paint up a fictional world to explore.

I think it’s safe to say that everyone have heard about how “dangerous” these works can be and that they can increase the violence in a few individuals. Back before the movies it was “Rock’n’Roll”, then the “Movies” and currently it’s mainly the “Video Games” that are being accused for some of the violence in this world.
Fortunetly a clear majority of people can distinguish the difference between reality and fiction and is aware of that doing “cruel things” in the waking life leads to permanent consequences.

But it does seem that a few “unstable” individuals pick up inspiration to commit a “bad act” from these fictional worlds, either as the whole reason or when performing a sequence of “bad acts”…seemingly ignoring the harsh permanent consequences these things can have in the real world.

But is it allright to commit “bad acts” in your dreams?
For most people i think it’s safe becuse they clearly know the differences between a dream and the real world and that the consequences after doing a “bad thing” in the real world will not just “disappear” every time they sleep.

  • Tywald

Without lucidity, people do these terrible things in real life without being conscious how real it is. If someone is capable of doing “bad” things in a lucid dream, it is possible because they know the difference between dreams and reality. A psychopath does not see the difference between a real person and a DC.

So while I would not waste my own LDs on such things, I argue that all LDs are good for you and for society.