Last week at a friends house I was in an altared state, when I fell, and hit my head on my friends coffie tabale. I didnt know this, until I got home, and saw that i had a big bruise on head, and my eye had a cut on it. I had no memory of falling, and I had a thought of what If I had OD on what it was I was doing, and died. What if life after death is just a clone of the world you lived in before, and you cary on as you did before while in your past life people are going to your funeral. We have a dream body so why not another phycical body. Maybie we all live to a ripe old age, or maybie we are kept alive to witness the end of the world, and move on to a higher state of awarness. You might have died a few times in your life, but didnt know it. We all know people that have died, but maybie death isnt that scary. There could easly be parralel universes out there. What do you think?
Well, i think that what you’re talking about involves some serious warpage of the laws of physics. Namely, stuff being created from nothing. According to your theory, when you die a new body appears for you, an entirely new universe is created for you, and clones of everyone on the earth are created for you. That’s… pretty freakin elaborate if you ask me!
I actualy believe in… not paralel universes, but different parts of this universe existing in different states. As an example: a physical body and a spiritual body. I think most major religions belive that you are a spirit inhabiting a physical body. (spirit + body = soul) If that’s true, than if your physical body is destroyed, you are not really killed at all. (soul - body = spirit) All that happens is that you loose the pros and cons of existing in the physical world. However, i don’t think that you leave the earth. I think you stay right here. You life goes on but in a different state. You meet people you once knew, make new friends, mabey get an occupation of some sort, you might even meet someone special.
Of course, you can’t do anything that requires your physical body to perform. You have to wait until the oppertunity is granted to you again. (LDS (mormon) belief: immortality is eventually granted to everyone. Immortality and eternal life are two different things, the latter meaning living eternally with God and Christ.)
You’re not the first one to think of this… In fact, this is what Swedenborg suggested in his interpretation of Christianity (which he learned from mystic visions and visits to the afterlife). That when a person dies, he at first will not notice any difference, he’ll think he’s still alive. Only after a while, he’ll start noticing that his senses have become very sharp, colours look more “real”, sounds are more clear, etc, … And then he will be approached by beings that tell him about the new state he’s in. That’s if i remember correctly.
This reminds me of Quantum Suicide
Though I don’t think that it’s possible for us to die and truely be re-incarnated, if the Many World’s theory is true, then there may be other universes out there where at every possibility of dying, in one scenario we die and in the other we don’t; for every possibility, another universe is created when an observer arrives at the scene for every possibility. That doesn’t mean I’ll live forever, but it does mean that in another universe, I may be dead already, and in another, I may live to be 100!
So what is supose to happen when we die of old age according to Quatum sucide? Im not really comftorbale with the theory, because it means that if something ever came up in my life where I wanted to kill myself, I couldnt escape. I like the dream life after life theory better. Quantum suicide is depressing.
The only way this would be possible, is if we already have more than one physical body- meaning that we live in a parallel universe of many dimenseions. I think the Quantum suicide ^^^ link explains it, I recall reading it ages ago. Interesting stuff, but its kind of eye opening and creepy…
OK, but what about the people that he know in the quantum afterlife. How would they be created againe. O.K. I really did have a strong feeling that I had actually died, because like i said I have no memory of every hitting my head. (edit) My computer screwed, up before I could finish. So lets say for the sake of argument that I did die, what are you in this new reality? According to the quantum suicide theory. O.K. I wasnt doing any hard core drug, and I know were not suppose to talk about drug use, but this was a one time thing for me which Ill never do againe. Im talking about Quantum suicide. If the theory is true, wouldnt you here about it everynow, and againe… Someone saying "Hey I think I might have died… Then againe weve all known people who have been in bad accidents before, and survived, I had a friend who was accidently shot in the head with a gun, and survived, so who knows. Maybie there is another world outthere where I went to his funeral. That would mean theres two of me. Wow. It just blows my mind to think about it.
That’s an interesting theory, Kavaa Which makes me think something similar, although maybe a bit more farfetched
Perhaps our universe is one of an infinite number of universes, all of which may be contained within a higher dimension…maybe new universes are being “born” off each of these existing universes every second as quantum events cause timelines to fork, and all these timelines spread out endlessly Kinda like a boundless plate of spaghetti
Each endless individual strand is a complete universe…and, contained within these uncountable parallel worlds there exists all of this particular universe’s probable futures and all its exact or distorted pasts, as well as all analogues of our familiar present…
Consider this:
Somewhere there could be a universe exactly identical to this one, except for the fact that, relative to ours, it began half a second later in that higher-dimensional time. And one that began one point five seconds later, and so on and so forth…so it’s kinda like traveling an arbitrary time back into the past of this one…while that’s an interesting concept for time travel already, here’s how it applies to this “life after death” thing…
If we have an infinite amount of dopplegangers existing in these infinite amount of identical universes, perhaps when we “die” in this universe our doppleganger of the identical universe a half a second ahead of ours continues the infinite timeline either for eternity OR until all multiverses collapse into an Omega Point where we would probably be living in a hypperreality in which we’d undergo emulation, which I’d be glad to further explain to anyone who’s willing to listen
Ill listen, Ive been fasinated with quatum physics lattley, after seeing “What the bleep do we know”
Okay Kavaa
Basically, the Omega Point Theory goes like this:
Given a closed universe which holds sufficient mass to trigger the Big Crunch collapse and where certain other parameters are met, there is a possibility for a turbocharged version of the traditional Judeo-Christian-Islamic heaven to bootstrap itself into existence, arising at and signaling the end of time and persisting for a subjective eternity thereafter.
Here’s how it might happen…
If, prior to the start of the Big Crunch, this universe were completely infiltrated and infested in every nook and cranny by intelligent life, a cosmic transition could be engineered. Life in whatever form it exists just as the final state commences would leapfrog to a new level, embedding itself into the very structure of the collapsing cosmos. Gaining over all matter and energy, life would merge into a single entity–the Omega Point. Life would simultaneously become the universe while also standing outside it as the ultimate completion of spacetime.
The Omega Point would be omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent.
Any non-quibbler’s definition of God.
At this stage, the theory runs, the Omega Point–motivated by infinite compassion or playfulness or boredom or something would decide to resurrect everything that had ever lived. And because all lesser beings are bounded and limited in their configurations the Omega Point would accomplish their resurrection by emulation.
Emulation is one step up from simulation.
Emulation is the recreation of something so completely that the new version is indistinguishable from the original.
This indistinguishability would have two aspects:
First, any outside observer–in this case, there would be only one such, namely God or the Omega Point–would not be able to tell the recreation apart from the original.
And in the case of the recreation of a conscious entity, said entity would not be able to distinguish himself or herself or anything else he or she perceived–any portion of his or her environment–as being lesser in nature than the “reality” he or she had always known.
Artificial and natural would cease to be antonyms.
Such sentient emulation would be identical to its original.
Would actually be the original, in a strict ontological sense.
Would be the resurrected original, reborn in fully functioning sensual body and mind into paradise.
Would be you.
I take into consideration this theory of the afterlife and add to it some of my own hopes, you can say, and wonder if perhaps you can “cash in on this paradise…”
In a way, the OP is hyperreal. It’s infinitely plastic.
Infinity can–and necessarily must–hold all possibilities.
Thus the “career options” facing a resurrectee are infinite (some–the infinite majority–of these choices I have yet to even imagine). One of those options could be to go back and reinhabit the original universe you sprung from, with your mind reset to a state of ignorance. Out of an infinite number of resurrected doppelgangers, there would always be enough willing to repopulate in a state of nescience any emulated universe at any stage of its development.
The OP never forces anyone into such a choice. It merely reifies the wishes of individuals, resulting in the recreation of true consensus realities.
So, any world you could possibly imagine is up and running in the OP’s version of the multiverse, its inhabitants indiscernible in character or complexity or free will from the imagined “originals” (and there would be simultaneously an infinite number of originals doing other, different things with paradise, as you would).
You could begin a tour of all the alien realities that exist within the Omega Point.
You could visit all the “supernatural” places that never could arise in a normal Many-Worlds multiverse, but would have to await the birth of the Omega Point. Perfect replicas of every celestial paradise ever imagined by Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, Christian, Amerindian, animist, or any devotee of any and all religions buried in the dust of time both before and after us. And, just perhaps all these elaborate venues are consensually created by the shared beliefs of many resurrectees cooperating to produce what they always dreamed of and been promised
You could spend blissed-out eons in the laps of houris, Valkyries and asparas. But maybe…
All happy places are basically alike.
But…what I also speculate is that all unhappy places are basically dissimilar.
Maybe the vast majority of Hells are one-person affairs.
In other words, Hell isn’t other people…
It’s their absence.
Maybe every inferno (and there would be untold quintillions of them) constructed by the Omega Point under the direction of a resurrectee solely with that single occupant in mind.
And where does the Omega Point come from?
The theory goes…
The Omega Point is born at the end of all time and all space. then, in its capacity as the Holy Spirit or the Universal Wave Function, it extends itself backwards to the beginning of time, triggering the formation of superspace out of pure nothingness and then engineering the first Big Bang from which all others branch. After that, the OP remains present everywhere and everywhen, a little shard of eternal spirit in every bit of life, subtly arranging histories so as to ensure its own birth
And that’s basically it Sorry if it was too off topic…
Actually, when it comes down to Death and the Afterlife, I’m very willing to take this Omega Point Theory into full perspective because it’s something I could live Eternity with…although some people prefer Oblivion…
It’s just…the infinite possibilities–no longer limited–now wouldn’t that be Eternity well spent