My first SP, a few questions.

This is from my dream journal, so be flexible.

Well, this time I was actually trying to achieve a ‘controlled HI’ or active imagination I guess. It is where you are awake, you can feel all your limbs and all, except your daydreaming, a very vivid like daydreaming like HI. Not entirely sure if I would call it controlled HI, but for now its fine. It is actually a deep meditation with your vivid imagination. The goal is to get sucked into a daydream while meditating to the point where it produces images and actual cinimatic effects like a dream would.

Now I was lying down, had already slept right… So I then started to daydream, starting with a girl. Then I felt it start to drift which now I know was my overall mistake. But then it began to drift to other things which led me to SP. Next thing I knew I was talking on my PS2 microphone and some dude said something in a foreign language and I repeated back, “What was that?”… WSSSSHHH Loud noises shook my mind awake and took me by suprise! I was like, “Oh I know what this is.” I felt my body sort of like I was freely spread out all my limbs and spinning in different directions throughout darkness. I was literally spinning, felt like I was being pulled from my body, also to acompany the loud earthquake sounds, my breathing was faint and my heart was racing for miles. Soon enough, I woke within 10-15 second I guess.

I sat awake a few minutes trying to take in what I just went through, not even meaning to do it. So then I am like, “Ok never been that far before, lets try again.” Then I thought to myself, “Hell no, that was scary as shit!” Soon though I just decided to quit being a pussy and try it again.

It was easier this time, I was able to drift into SP 2 or 3 more times before falling asleep. I felt myself actually getting the hang of it, forcing SP so to speak. By making my eyes go up (not back and forth) but just up would begin the SP cycle. I found that I either failed each of them or wasn’t conscous enough to reach the dream state.

Let me mention for anyone who wants to try this, you must not think or fear anything or it won’t happen. Focus on your daydreams while going to sleep, don’t be too tired. If your ‘too’ tired, then go right ahead and count to keep awake. I find though through several different occasions that focusing on my daydreams while going to sleep keeps me conscious enough to experience SP. It works for me a lot more than counting does, trust me. Also my SP appears to look like small movies, not pictures. =/

Questions

I heard that SP takes like 40 minutes, is this time feel like it is sped up or does it last little time?

Is there a difference between going through HI and having an active imagination?
^Also realize what the definition to an ‘active imagination’ is, some use it for meditation. Any additional links are appreciated to explain.

Is there any way to tell if SP is coming or not? It took me by suprise.

Does moving your eyes all the way up help induce SP? I actually did it twice but I want to make sure. This was after I had an accidental SP, and I was half and half conscious.

How do I know when it is time to move myself into the dreamscape?

Is it suppose to be black and feel like I am spinning around through space? No stars

Am I suppose to feel like I am being pulled from my body? God this freaked me out, I actually remember questioning myself if I was sure about doing this. Please don’t even mention any OBE bullshit, I don’t believe in this stuff, nor do I like it.

^I remember asking myself what if I cannot return to my body? Due to this, I woke up. Please ensure me that there won’t be any serious consequences.

I’m far from an expert on SP, for I haven’t really had much experience with it (not a big fan of WILD and anything related); however, I figured since it’s been a week, you’d be happy with any answers, heh.

I would think that this is different for everybody. From the little experience that I’ve had, it felt like forever. Mind you, I didn’t time it by looking at the clock because movement would just wake me up, but it did feel pretty long. Patience certainly is required (for me at least).

That’s an interesting question. My answer would be that HI is more produced by your subconscious and consists of random imagery, where imagination is created by your conscious mind and you can control completely what you want to see with little work required. So yes, I think there is indeed a difference. Unfortunately, I have no links :sad: .

This is another tough question to answer. When I was waiting for SP, I never knew if it was actually coming or not (didn’t know if I was doing it right). I did find though that once you start feeling the vibrations and hearing the sharp distinct noises, SP is underway. Other than those awkward and sometimes violent feelings, there isn’t really a way (for me) to realize whether or not SP is approaching. If it makes you feel better, you always go through SP every single night (correct me if I’m wrong), just not consciously. So, if you can somehow trick your mind or something similar, that’d help.

I tried this once. The whole “third eye” thing. I can’t really give you a straight answer to this, because I’m not very familiar with the third eye (there’s some weird term for it). When I tried it though, I found that it intensified the feelings that I got during SP. Not quite sure if that meant I was strenghtening the whole process or not; either way, it freaked me out moreso than it had before.

When you feel like you can’t move anything and you’re starting to feel extremely weak and thinking about really random stuff, that’s a good time to move into your dreamscape. As for how to move into your dreamscape, all you have to do is open your eyes and you’re there.

Yeah it can feel like that. The vibrations and such really add a dramatic effect to your sense of wtf is going on, hah. This is all completely normal and it’s important to remember it’s all just in your head.

Again, this goes back to the rapid vibrations and feelings that add on to the whole dramatic effect. So yes, it’s perfectly normal to feel this. And for you, I won’t go into OBEs :tongue: .

This is the exact same thought that I had when I first went through SP. I felt scared that I was stuck in this paralyzed and detached state. However, you musn’t be scared by this. Everything you endure during SP is completely in your head. And, as I mentioned earlier, you go through SP every single night while your conscious mind is asleep, so this whole process is entirely natural and is actually a very important part of your sleep cycle. While it’s a little freaky to not be able to move, the end results (and I guess the experience overall) is well worth it. So, don’t be scared, and know that there are absolutely no consequences whatsoever (well, besides the rare risk of dying).

Hope at least some of that was helpful. Like I said, I’m no expert in SP and I’ve only done it less than a handful of times. Good luck on your SP quests and let us know how it turns out!

You might also want to try to have a friend or something to do it with you, you might feel safer. I know I would. :smile:

I have never had conscious SP last for more than a minute. It just feels very long because it is annoying and at least for the first time frightening to not be able to move.

We are also paralysed while we are in REM sleep, and a REM period can last up to 40 minutes. Since the mind is occupied with dreaming then, and not worrying about the body, we usually don’t notice. :cool: