problem for sleep with autosuggestion

Hello everybod.
I’m new on this forum. I’m very bad in English (I’m French) and the french forum is close…

I try :
I’ve begun the training of the lucid dreams 5 days ago. For now, I can remember my dreams but sometimes, it’s difficult and I forget them. I practice autosuggestion before sleeping. But when I say in my head : " At wake-up, I will remember my dreams". Mais quand je dis dans ma tête: “Je me souviendrai de mon rêve”, I can’t spleep ! I am not relax, I’m hot. For sleeping, I must let my thoughts derive but if I fix my thoughts on autosuggestion, I don’t sleep…

I wish, that you understand my problem. Sorry for fault but thank you for you reponse !

The main advice is just relaxing, taking it easy. Do it after you relaxed your body, and be overall positive and confident. Let the whole thing happen to you, and just try to be slightly aware.
Good luck to you :content:

Don’t get caught up on your words. Tell yourself you’ll remember your dreams, imagine yourself doing it, and then go to sleep like normal once you feel you have gotten the intention through to your subconscious. Good luck and let us know if you need more help :content:

P.S. your English is fine :smile:

Take it easy. Ne pas se précipiter. Que l’autosuggestion aller. Réglez votre premier but de se rappeler un rêve. Écrivez-le, ne soyez pas déçu quand il prend plus de temps que vous espériez.


Take it easy. Don’t be hasty. Let the autosuggestion go. Set your first goal to remember one dream. Write it down, don’t be disappointed when it takes longer that you hoped.

Thank you !

In the last night, I remembered my dreams very good ( I wrote many pages in my dreams journal ) . I train again and again :wink: . If I am over problems, I say them.

i have the same problem , when i use mantra’s i cant go to sleep , i naturally remember dreams well even without auto suggestions. but when i use auto suggestions (i would recite auto suggestions up to 100 times meaningfully) i would not be able to sleep until i forgot about lucidity all together and let my mind create stories instead.

Thank you !

In the last night, I remembered my dreams very good ( I wrote many pages in my dreams journal ) . I train again and again :wink: . If I have another problems, I say them.

People say that in order to do effective autosuggestion, you have to repeat the autosuggestion / mantra over and over again until you fall asleep, so that it’s the last thing you think about. I don’t know why people say this - it’s nearly impossible to fall asleep that way (at least it is for most people). it’s the best way to have insomnia.
Here is what works for me : I’m unable to focus on one thing for a long time, so when I do autosuggestion, my thoughts automatically derive to something completely different and I end up falling asleep. So autosuggestion is not the very last thing I think of, but it’s the last thing I think of consciously. Somehow this does the trick for me. If I notice that my thoughts have derived from autosuggestion, I do the autosuggestion again. I never had to do this more than twice, I always end up falling asleep and having a LD during the night. The reason why I don’t have LDs more often is that I can’t remember to do the autosuggestion in the first place.
And I sent you a PM :content:

Here’s the message in French, if it’s easier for you :content:

[spoiler]Les gens disent que pour que l’autosuggestion soit efficace, il faut que tu te répètes ta phrase d’autosuggestion encore et encore pour que ce soit la dernière chose à laquelle tu penses avant de t’endormir. Je ne vois pas comment on peut dire ça : il est quasiment impossible de s’endormir de cette façon (pour la plupart des gens du moins). C’est le meilleur moyen d’avoir une insomnie.
Voici ma méthode perso : Comme je suis incapable de me concentrer sur quelque chose pendant longtemps, quand je fais mon autosuggestion, mes pensées finissent par dériver sur autre chose et je m’endors comme ça. Dans ce cas, l’autosuggestion n’est pas vraiment la dernière chose à laquelle je pense, mais c’est la dernière chose à laquelle je pense consciemment. Et il s’avère que ça me suffit. Si je m’aperçois que mes pensées ont dérivé, je refais l’autosuggestion, et je n’ai jamais eu à la refaire plus de deux fois : après, je m’endors, et je fais un rêve lucide dans la nuit. Et si je ne fais pas de rêves lucides plus souvent, c’est seulement parce que j’oublie tout le temps de faire l’autosuggestion.

Et je t’ai envoyé un message privé :content:[/spoiler]

I think, and this might just be me :tongue: that that’s the difference between autosuggestion and MILD. MILD contains auto-suggestion and it’s supposed to help you remember to realize it’s a dream, so it really helps to have that be the last thought before you fall asleep. I can’t fall asleep repeating a mantra either :lol: so I think another valid aproach would be to repeat it a few times and then clear your mind (meditate, basicly). That way, the mantra is still technically the last thought you have :grin:

Although I tend to do auto-suggestion only. I repeat the mantra 3-5 times until I feel the message has stuck, then I go to sleep normally. :smile:

and welcome leopold321 :wave: good luck on your quest!

Autosuggestion is when you simply say “I wanna have a lucid dream tonight” twice or so when you go to bed.

MILD is when you keep repeating a sentence like the one above until you fall asleep.

That’s what I’ve understood. At first i didn’t know the difference but in EWLD Stephen LaBerge describes it like that.

So I’ve you’re doing autosuggestion, simply say the sentence a few times and put your motivation on it then go to sleep without thinking about it.

I think MILD also involves remembering your last ND and imagining you became lucid in it.