PTSD and Lucid Dreaming?

If Lucid Dreaming can make you realize why your having nightmares, why can’t soldiers and other people use Lucid Dreaming to solve the PTSD like a dream about being on the battlefields in Iraq and realizing your dreaming then solving it?

Because it’s not the same, you can’t compare normal nightmares, and by normal I mean nightmares that are not caused by PTSD, which can be troubling to, and can cause many problems in normal live, but nightmares caused by PTSD, are something else because having nightmares and actually be in war and truly experience all that horror and then having nightmares is two different things. And those with PTSD they don’t have just problem with nightmares, they have severe psychological trauma, difficulty with controlling anger, and hypervigilance.

I’m not expert at all, but this is just an logical conclusion…

I guess it probably doesn’t work then ;(

Just like I said, I’m not expert, but your idea is great, and it’s great that your showing interest in people with PTSD, and I would be very happy if LD’s could help them…
But who knows, maybe they using LD’s to reduce symptoms, make a research of your own to be sure as much as you can…

Once more, great idea! :yes:

I’ll try to post some results of the study.

Here is some research about it:
(This is from a person who supposedly had PTSD from being terrorized by two stepfathers, Yes, I said 2, who said he had his first lucid dream he could remember when he was 9)
My non-lucid nightmares have changed, too. Now, most of the time, I’m no longer immobilized or helpless; many times, I fight whatever monster or situation is frightening me or investigate whatever puzzle I can’t seem to solve; sometimes, I even win. The chief problem now with non-lucid nightmares those with predominating sadness rather than fear.

(This is from one of those free term paper websites)
The Stigma Surrounding Lucid Dream Therapy In PTSD
In our society, dreams are often thought of as “meaningless biology” (LaBerge [1]). The stigma that has accompanied dreams into our century can be thought of as quite unfortunate. This stigma accompanies all types of dreams, including lucid dreams, the conscious awareness in a dream. In the small body of research that indicates the possible therapeutic uses of lucid dreaming, one can see how hard it would be for society to accept this kind of therapy if viewing the key element, dreaming, as “meaningless biology” (LaBerge [1]). Society needs to change the attitudes around dreaming due to the possible benefits that dream therapy could have on problems such as Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). The benefits that lucid dream therapy could have for these treatments show why society needs to embrace all types of dreaming as important and useful human resources.

Yes, I see your point… Dreams effect your mood, and if you dream something bad and ugly, that can make you grouchy through the day, and opposite, if you dream something happy and cool and awesome, then your happy in WL… And on that part LD’s can help I think, but still remains the problem with psychological trauma, difficulty with controlling anger and many more side effects…

But as you can see from research, it’s the major problem in our society, and when society accepts dreams as possible way of therapy then we can use then for good…
But as we can see people are doing on that way of therapy and it’s great…

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And on that part LD’s can help I think, but still remains the problem with psychological trauma, difficulty with controlling anger and many more side effects…/quote]
Well it helps with one part of it, would you rather get something or nothing?

True :happy:, something is always better then nothing! :happy:

Can you please look at my DJ (link in signature)
Please, I just want someone to read it.

Not only PTSD but all sorts of mental or physical sickness could benefit from dream therapy in my opinion.

In all ancient civilizations there were “dream” medical science. It do not prove that it cures diseases all by itself but it tends to prove there might be a relationship between conscious and subconscious balance to recover. And contrary to heavy medication therapy it would have no side-effects and no cost.

It would be worse researching this field, for PTSD or other disease. But i guess as no big profit can be made out of this it would be difficult to gather a research budget.

Is there any dreamers here who can tell us about examples of potentially related dream cure linked to any sicknesses?

I think I’ve seen some story about soldiers recreating traumatic events in a kind of virtual reality to treat PTSD. I think the events were scripted. Anyway, if THAT can help, then having lucid dreams about the event also has potential because dreams are much more realistic than computer programs… for now. I think it is a matter of associating the traumatic experience with less traumatic feelings through rehashing the experience in safe circumstances. Memories are remade every time we recall them.

@krakatoa: yes indeed i heard about the same kinf of therapy for treating phobias. You simulate with your mind or computer the situation that makes you freak out and try to handle your emotions. It has a good success rate. LD would be more powerful and realistic.

therapy name TCC in french stand for “thérapie cognitivo comportementale” cthat would be translated in cognitve behavioral therapy

It’s true, I read in a Guiness book of world record for gamers for 2010 (Yes, I’m a gamer) that the first game used to treat PTSD in soldiers was Full Spectrum Warriors which the engine is used to create a non interactive warzone where the therapist can guide the soldier through the traumatic event.

PTSD is an illness that needs proper medication and it will not be healed only just by lucid dreaming. We should understand that the patients who suffer this diseases have experienced unwanted accidents or violent things so we must be very careful on how we treat them. Most likely the persons who suffer from this illness are the veterans. They are those who had fought in war in far lands just to protect our nation. It’s heartbreaking to know that someone who gave his life for the country is now suffering an illness. Our veterans deserve what they have now which are wealth and respect, they gave their life for us so it’s our responsibility to treat them well. Part of treating them well is giving them great medical benefits. But it seems that the government is too cold to give those. United States veteran health care is a labyrinth of inadequacy. Add to this the fact that some crucial medications do not work, as reported by a brand new study in the Journal of the American Medical Association. According to the study, probably the most widely prescribed PTSD narcotics are no more useful than placebos at curing the condition, yet still have severe side effects like weight gain and exhaustion. Article source: Antipsychotics fail to alleviate PTSD symptoms in veterans. I hope the government would do something about this matter soon.

I have PTSD and I use dreams and lucid dreams therapeutically. :content:

It doesn’t feel like I still have PTSD right now, maybe just a little because I am still recovering from it, but I was diagnosticated with it. Had a rough youth and I just wasn’t the most lucky kid.
I am still taking medication and I see a therapist every week. It wasn’t her idea to use dreams in my therapy, I just told her about bad dreams I had and how it made me feel. I think she was new to this approach, she didn’t give me any advice but on the other hand, she never gives advice. She let’s me go my own path, with my own pace. She is very open to my dreams though, when I tell her about my dreams she asks me about it and talks about it as if it happened in real life. My feelings in my dreams are taken seriously and she treats them no different than the feelings I have while I’m awake. Is doesn’t matter in the end if something actually happened, all that matters are your feelings because feelings are never wrong. So I started to use my dreams and lucid dreams to help me recover from PTSD but I see it as an extra help, it’s not my main focus. But I can tell that it has been working already. When I started to gain more control and felt more confident in my dreams I became more able to change the course of dreams and it made me feel good about myself whereas earlier it would give me a really crappy day. I don’t succeed every time but when I dream of something bad happening to me now, I no longer just cry and hide, I feel anger now and anger is good because anger is power and anger leads to standing up for yourself and that is what I often do now in my dreams and that really feels good! :happy:

I am not sure if you can compair my PTSD to vetenarians with PTSD though, I can’t judge on that.

I am also ex Forces (British Army) and have had PTSD for over 20 years , I have also been having LD for as long as I can remember, on average I have a LD every week, sometimes twice, I am self taught, as in it “just happened” and I have since then worked at getting these to happen more often.

I have just started to use LD when I have flashbacks (PTSD) - now my PTSD isn’t combat related - I was gang raped in the army when I was 18 years old, the images I flash back to tend to be connected to the rape, and have caused me a lot of issues of the years - mostly with my none ability to deal with members of the opposite sex that im attracted to on anything more then a friendship level.

I found this forum via serching for PTSD and LD as I am now looking into the possibilities of teaching the LD to help other people with PTSD - as I belive while not a “cure” it can be used in a good way.

When I have a flashback to the rape if I am in LD mode, I change the people from the men that did it to me to women! and then force myself to wake up - what this is slowly doing is making it easier to sleep again :smile:

I am more then happy to speak to any of you about my experiences - just let me know?

Regards
Chris

dude.
that is freakin’ heavy duty man. wow. that,… that’s really something.

at the very least, at least I hope you enjoy getting it on with many women :razz:
but seriously, that’s messed up. I hope you’re doin’ alright man. I have never in my life heard of something so terrible. I mean, you always hear these horror stories about the army but I have not heard anything that gruesome. Hope you’re doing better now-a-days.

I do have a question: you said you LD before you joined the army? What cues you in to a LD, what makes you realize you’re dreaming (other than the PTSD)?