Great tech, cosmic.iron! I’ve been thinking for a while now about what to do with inner sounds / inner images. Thanks for sharing.
well i tried this when i woke up in the night last night and woke up this morning with great dream recall, and i noticed that my attention to detail had highly increased when reading my dream journal writing. no lucidity in this dream.
however i tried again today when having a morning nap after taking my kids to school. when i woke up great dream recall again and a few short lucid moments in two seperate dreams. awesome i will be sure to try again tonight. thankyou!!
I read the link carefully. The resemblance between the two methods are astonishing! Thank you for pointing this out. This for sure will shed more light and give us more insight on why this works and how to further improve it!
So here I will post my progress from last night and next 6 days!
I went to bed around 11pm and set an alarm at 3:20am. By some of my calculations my next REM stage should be around 3:30 but this time I didn’t get up for WBTB, I just thought that I will perform tech and go to sleep.
Well, I was very tired and I think that my first mistake was setting alarm, it waked me too much but I wasn’t sure if I could wake up using autosuggestion because I was very tired so alarm was needed. Once when I was up I felt that I was to awake but I did the tech anyways. After a few repetitions I was getting awake even more. Which takes me to my second mistake which was that I was laying on my back. The story is pretty the same as mattias described his night. Then after some time I rolled over but I was just to awake and I started switching positions and everything went bad! From that point I don’t remember almost any dream but my DR is bad anyways…
Now I know my first few mistakes and I will try to avoid them this night. If you have any more advices please feel free to share them!
Nothing, just a few fragments of one dream and that’s it. I’m putting this tech and quest on hold because my DR is a mess and there is no foundation to trying this without decent DR. When things change I will post here again… But I think I will try this tech whenever I get up for WBTB and if I get some results I will post…
Success. I’ve done SILD after 8 hours of sleep, only one repetition and after 10 hours I did SILD again with 3 or 4 repetitions and I had a lucid dream! After that one I did chaining and had another one!
I see. As long as the thoughts don’t become too rational and analytical it’s generally fine. Just resume from where you drifted away or start all over again. Anyway, good luck tonight
I’m sorry it didn’t work for you this time, but you summed it up well. One thing to bear in mind is that while doing the repetitions do not do it too systematically… don’t focus! Allow your mind to drift away is always better than concentrating. Also in step 3a don’t stress your eye muscles since that may be the single biggest reason that’s causing difficulty to fall asleep.
Glad to help hope it will work for you!
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Ok, tnx man. I’ll try to be as much relaxed as possible and this time I’ll try it on my side where I’m most comfortable as you already suggested!
Combining SILD with WBTB or morning nap is a great way to increase success rate!
Just a question…is it necesarry to do it from head to toe?
Because the first time I decided to try it I could only recall that I had to scan for body sensations and I did it from toe to head instead…
The next day I noticed it actually said from head to toe so I did that instead…
But I would personally say that from toe to head seemed to have much more effect…or at least a different effect…
And when I switched (back) to “from toe to head” I also immediatly noticed a change…
Because everytime I reached my head I noticed I dozed off more and more (with quite big leaps)…
It somehow felt more natural to do so…as if I was following “the information flow” as it was travelling through my body and thereby gathering sensory data…untill it finally reached the end station (the brain) and thereby finishing the cycle in a natural way…
Going from head to toe seemed less effective to me…I did feel becomming more sleepy but not the same way as doing it the other way around…
It felt like I was more pushing it which would (could) increase the risk of becomming more awake instead…
Quickly falling asleep after it was certainly MUCH easier with going from toe to head anyway…
Don’t know if it has any significance…
If it was just a coincidence or a personal preference or if there could possibly be a (subtle) difference between the two…
So I decided to post these findings anyway…you’ll never know right?
Interesting question! When I wrote “head to toe” I wasn’t really being literal… but you did raise a very valid question and your findings might have some significance! I’ll go back to my forum and ask them to do some experiment on this.
I’ll keep experimenting with it too…
That part alone could anyway help me to get to sleep very quickly if I need/want to…
Hello there. I’m very new to lucid dreaming and I’ve never had one before. Im not familiar with all of the methods, but I stumbled across this one and it looked perfect for me. I have a few questions that I’ll ask in a short answer type format so itll be easier for you to respond to my multiple questions.
I have an early morning class, and for that reason I’ve only gotten 4 hours of sleep almost exactly. I always take a nap after my class. When I lay down to take a nap, I seem to get in this mode where I can’t move my body but my mind is still active. I forgot what this is called, but I feel very closer to lucidity at this point than any other point. My question here is, would it be alright to do this method when I lay down for a nap, or does it have to be right after waking up in the middle of the night or something?
Also for the whole “sound” aspect, I have a fan that I sleep with every night because I like the noise. Is this ok to have going on when trying to do the sound part? I’m used to the sound because I’ve done it my whole life, so in theory I could try to focus on every little sound that the fan produces and still get the same result, right?
Nap is a great time to practice. What you experience is Sleep Paralasis. This usually happens as a leftover of REM during which your body is paralyzed. Since you only had so little time to sleep, your body needs to make up for the amount of REM you skipped. Thus, when you nap you almost immediately enter REM instead of going through the typical NREM-1, NREM-2 stuff. This is why it’s so easy for you to experience SP. You can really take advantage of this, with or without using the SILD method. Of course, combining SILD will greatly increase your chance.
As for the sound, it is usually better if the environment is quiet so you can hear the inner noises. I suspect this is important just as you are not supposed to do the exercise with your eyes open. Your situation with the fan of course is unique, so I don’t want to rule out the possibility that it might work for you. I guess we will have to find out by experimenting with it.
Thanks for the technique, cosmic!
I’ve been struggling to induce one lucid dream. MILD has not been working, at all.
I will try this technique and report back here tomorrow. Thanks a lot; this seems like the technique for me!
I want to try this tonight, but I must ask. How do I scan my body?
The simplest way is to just look for any sensations that’s out of ordinary. You can scan for it following certain order, such as from toe to head or vice versa, or you can simply do it randomly. I usually pay closer attentions to these areas though – toes, fingers, abdomen, and head.
If you are not afraid of being too alert thus losing sleep, then you can try moving your hands, feet, or head with your mind without using muscles. Given the right circumstance they may actually start to move in a pretty wild fashion. In this case you know you are going to experience a WILD (no poun intended). However, you don’t want to strain yourself in order to achieve this effect. Just in your mind mimic the sensation as best as you can. Even accidentally using your real muscles is perfectly okay. The key is to just DO IT! As long as you don’t wake yourself too much.
Problem with MILD is the affirmations which are difficult to get them right. SILD is simpler. Just remember, don’t push yourself. If it works that’s great, otherwise you should enjoy a good night of sleep because you will have plenty of opportunities in your life to experience LDs. That’s the kind of mentality you should have, and then the method will work wonders for you.
Hey Cosmic .Iron,
Welcome to this forum,
I have quick short three questions.
a) Is it mandatory to sleep immediately after doing two-three rounds or we can sleep afterwards?
b) Should i silence the thoughts in my mind while doing these cycles or can i ignore thoughts and also whether can i ignore thoughts of excitement, which sometimes prevents me from falling asleep quickly, after doing these rounds?
c) Should i look for real sounds/ sensations etc while doing the rounds or should imagine sounds.sensations?
a) It is not mandatory. In fact, personally when I sometimes double the number of repetitions, then afterward my mind/body will be prepped into such condition that I can just create an OBE with a simple intention while being wide awake. Of course, this takes practice so I don’t want to recommend this. In general though, the quicker you fall asleep the better.
b) You absolutely don’t want to silence your thoughts! Those thoughts help put you closer to the trance. As long as they are not too rational and stressful you will be fine. While emptying your thoughts is an essential skill for meditation and often suggested by many LD techniques, SILD is designed to be just the opposite. Those random thoughts are your friends, not your enemies! Don’t waste your mental energy to try to kill them! Let them grow and go with the flow!
c) It matters not. It’s the action that matters. Whether or not you hear anything is not important, as long as you tried to hear them.
I’m sorry if this has been asked before, but does it matter in which position you do the steps? I for one lose my concentration very easily when I lay down, so I’m thinking about trying this in another position, like sitting.
I suggest a position that’s comfortable, but not your typical one used to fall asleep with. I’m not sure about sitting… but you are welcome to try One more thing, don’t “concentrate”! You should allow your mind to drift away. Keep your mind on a leash but not a tight one.