Combining SILD with WBTB or morning nap is a great way to increase success rate!
Just a question…is it necesarry to do it from head to toe?
Because the first time I decided to try it I could only recall that I had to scan for body sensations and I did it from toe to head instead…
The next day I noticed it actually said from head to toe so I did that instead…
But I would personally say that from toe to head seemed to have much more effect…or at least a different effect…
And when I switched (back) to “from toe to head” I also immediatly noticed a change…
Because everytime I reached my head I noticed I dozed off more and more (with quite big leaps)…
It somehow felt more natural to do so…as if I was following “the information flow” as it was travelling through my body and thereby gathering sensory data…untill it finally reached the end station (the brain) and thereby finishing the cycle in a natural way…
Going from head to toe seemed less effective to me…I did feel becomming more sleepy but not the same way as doing it the other way around…
It felt like I was more pushing it which would (could) increase the risk of becomming more awake instead…
Quickly falling asleep after it was certainly MUCH easier with going from toe to head anyway…
Don’t know if it has any significance…
If it was just a coincidence or a personal preference or if there could possibly be a (subtle) difference between the two…
So I decided to post these findings anyway…you’ll never know right?
Interesting question! When I wrote “head to toe” I wasn’t really being literal… but you did raise a very valid question and your findings might have some significance! I’ll go back to my forum and ask them to do some experiment on this.
I’ll keep experimenting with it too…
That part alone could anyway help me to get to sleep very quickly if I need/want to…
Hello there. I’m very new to lucid dreaming and I’ve never had one before. Im not familiar with all of the methods, but I stumbled across this one and it looked perfect for me. I have a few questions that I’ll ask in a short answer type format so itll be easier for you to respond to my multiple questions.
I have an early morning class, and for that reason I’ve only gotten 4 hours of sleep almost exactly. I always take a nap after my class. When I lay down to take a nap, I seem to get in this mode where I can’t move my body but my mind is still active. I forgot what this is called, but I feel very closer to lucidity at this point than any other point. My question here is, would it be alright to do this method when I lay down for a nap, or does it have to be right after waking up in the middle of the night or something?
Also for the whole “sound” aspect, I have a fan that I sleep with every night because I like the noise. Is this ok to have going on when trying to do the sound part? I’m used to the sound because I’ve done it my whole life, so in theory I could try to focus on every little sound that the fan produces and still get the same result, right?
Nap is a great time to practice. What you experience is Sleep Paralasis. This usually happens as a leftover of REM during which your body is paralyzed. Since you only had so little time to sleep, your body needs to make up for the amount of REM you skipped. Thus, when you nap you almost immediately enter REM instead of going through the typical NREM-1, NREM-2 stuff. This is why it’s so easy for you to experience SP. You can really take advantage of this, with or without using the SILD method. Of course, combining SILD will greatly increase your chance.
As for the sound, it is usually better if the environment is quiet so you can hear the inner noises. I suspect this is important just as you are not supposed to do the exercise with your eyes open. Your situation with the fan of course is unique, so I don’t want to rule out the possibility that it might work for you. I guess we will have to find out by experimenting with it.
Thanks for the technique, cosmic!
I’ve been struggling to induce one lucid dream. MILD has not been working, at all.
I will try this technique and report back here tomorrow. Thanks a lot; this seems like the technique for me!
I want to try this tonight, but I must ask. How do I scan my body?
The simplest way is to just look for any sensations that’s out of ordinary. You can scan for it following certain order, such as from toe to head or vice versa, or you can simply do it randomly. I usually pay closer attentions to these areas though – toes, fingers, abdomen, and head.
If you are not afraid of being too alert thus losing sleep, then you can try moving your hands, feet, or head with your mind without using muscles. Given the right circumstance they may actually start to move in a pretty wild fashion. In this case you know you are going to experience a WILD (no poun intended). However, you don’t want to strain yourself in order to achieve this effect. Just in your mind mimic the sensation as best as you can. Even accidentally using your real muscles is perfectly okay. The key is to just DO IT! As long as you don’t wake yourself too much.
Problem with MILD is the affirmations which are difficult to get them right. SILD is simpler. Just remember, don’t push yourself. If it works that’s great, otherwise you should enjoy a good night of sleep because you will have plenty of opportunities in your life to experience LDs. That’s the kind of mentality you should have, and then the method will work wonders for you.
Hey Cosmic .Iron,
Welcome to this forum,
I have quick short three questions.
a) Is it mandatory to sleep immediately after doing two-three rounds or we can sleep afterwards?
b) Should i silence the thoughts in my mind while doing these cycles or can i ignore thoughts and also whether can i ignore thoughts of excitement, which sometimes prevents me from falling asleep quickly, after doing these rounds?
c) Should i look for real sounds/ sensations etc while doing the rounds or should imagine sounds.sensations?
a) It is not mandatory. In fact, personally when I sometimes double the number of repetitions, then afterward my mind/body will be prepped into such condition that I can just create an OBE with a simple intention while being wide awake. Of course, this takes practice so I don’t want to recommend this. In general though, the quicker you fall asleep the better.
b) You absolutely don’t want to silence your thoughts! Those thoughts help put you closer to the trance. As long as they are not too rational and stressful you will be fine. While emptying your thoughts is an essential skill for meditation and often suggested by many LD techniques, SILD is designed to be just the opposite. Those random thoughts are your friends, not your enemies! Don’t waste your mental energy to try to kill them! Let them grow and go with the flow!
c) It matters not. It’s the action that matters. Whether or not you hear anything is not important, as long as you tried to hear them.
I’m sorry if this has been asked before, but does it matter in which position you do the steps? I for one lose my concentration very easily when I lay down, so I’m thinking about trying this in another position, like sitting.
I suggest a position that’s comfortable, but not your typical one used to fall asleep with. I’m not sure about sitting… but you are welcome to try One more thing, don’t “concentrate”! You should allow your mind to drift away. Keep your mind on a leash but not a tight one.
Just a quick update for me last night.
I tried this out and got zero results, which was rather upsetting. I went to bed around 12:30am and set an alarm for 5:00am. I immediately awoke from the alarm when it went off, rather excited to see how this works. When looking through my eyes, almost every time I saw nothing. Around the 3rd or so time however, I saw a man counting what looked like money by a counter. More than likely a cash register counter.
When I listened, every time all I heard was the ringing in my ears, and external noises of animals hitting things and trees outside.
When feeling for sensations across my body, I only felt tingling from time to time in like my toes, and I was a little bit heavy after the 4th cycle. I did it 5 times because I drifted off during one of them.
Now after I tried going to sleep, I had the hardest time getting to sleep actually in a while. It usually only takes me a minute or two. Since I noticed I wasn’t going to get to sleep for a while I used a “scene” in my head that always helps me fall asleep quick. It’s weird. I imagine myself homeless on a bench waiting for the bus, and a friend comes and offers to help. By the time I get their house I fall asleep. Every time. Well, not this time! I laid there for awhile, and when I woke up this morning, I had no dream recall whatsoever.
While I was trying to fall asleep though I felt like my body was rocking back and forth and it got extremely rapid at one point, especially in my head. With a vibrating numbness too. I was laying on my back.
I didn’t open my eyes throughout every cycle and when I tried to go to sleep. Were they only supposed to be closed during the vision cycle?
Edit: Oh, I just remembered to say this. I normally sleep with my AC on at night because when I was a child I always had a fan running. The unit is in my room because we redesigned half of our garage into a bedroom. I turned it off last night though because it drowns out most of the noises outside (animals, trees, etc). Maybe that’s why I couldn’t fall back asleep…
I wasn’t able to fully do the technique. I set my alarm for the usual time, which last night was close to 4 1/2 hrs after going to sleep.
When I tried to do the technique, I ran through the steps only twice, and for some reason, I told myself “I think it’s working…” and just fell back asleep. I end up doing this with a lot of techniques. I don’t know why. Maybe it’s because I’m tired.
No recall… At all.
I AM going to try this again tonight. In fact, I’m going to try until I can induce a lucid dream.
I had a quick question though:
I was thinking about using Melatonin tonight before I went to bed. I haven’t used a dreaming supplement yet. Do you think taking a supplement along with using this technique would be useful or have no effect?
Seems like we both had the same issue, Dave. /:
Dear Lief, reading through your report it occurs to me you might have missed many opportunities to experience a perfect WILD and OBE.
The time you actually saw picture is the first sign of getting into a WILD. You see, it’s normal for the first few repetitions to not feel anything, but usually each repetition will bring you closer to the correct mind/body state then you will start to get sensations. When you do experience strong and distinctive sensations like this, you should immediately cease the exercise and focus on the sensation instead. By focusing on it the sensation will increase, assuming you are not getting too excited and break out of the trance. In the case of yours, the image you saw will eventually become bigger and brighter. At which point you should be able to do a nose RC and it usually will work. Or, you can try reaching out to the scene and that usually will allow you to zoom right into it and becomes a dream.
Another place you missed an opportunity is when you felt the rocking sensation and some vibrations. Again, you should have stopped the exercise and focused on increasing the sensation. When the range of the movement becomes bigger and bigger, you are already in a perfect condition to experience an OBE. Just do a quick nose RC and you should be able to roll out of your bed.
Don’t despair, as you become more experienced to these sensations you will eventually be able to grab them. You are actually on the right track judging from your experience.
About losing sleep… typically when doing SILD, we do not expect to experience any sensations. That’s right, you heard me correctly – we ARE NOT striving to experience anything while doing the exercise! It’s the action that matters, not the result! It is perfectly fine for you to not feel anything. Just finish the cycles, become plenty relaxed, and drift to sleep as quickly as possible. LDs and OBEs will come automatically at later stage. If you do it in this fashion, these exercises will actually help you sleep! On the other hand, if you focus too much on the sensations, you will become too eager and tense, and that will result in difficulty to fall asleep afterwards. In your case, it’s even worse because you were literally on the verge of WILD and OBE and you broke out of them
Well then, that boosts my mood up a lot! I’ll try setting an alarm and doing this again tonight and post back on here in the morning. If I see or feel anything intense or vivid, I’ll hold on to it like you said. I didn’t know it was as easy as doing an RC when it gets intense enough. Thank you for the help!
Please take a look at the reply I gave to Lief. Many of the answers apply to you as well
I think you were right that you may have been too tired for this to work. Two repetitions then fell asleep usually is not strong enough. Also it’s usually better if you get out of your bed for at least 5 minutes before doing the exercise.
I suggest you not to mix the exercise with other techniques… at least not until you have experienced some success. Certain techniques are just not compatible!