Senses Initiated Lucid Dream (SSILD)

Interesting, I might give this a try. It reminds me of a few WILD’s I’ve had where I imagined myself touching something with my hands and then suddenly I can actually feel it, and from there it’s simple. When I did this it worked great. My problem was reaching the state of relaxation and calmness (or whatever) for it to become a vivid sensation… Maybe when I focus on my touch I get distracted and fall asleep quickly, and perhaps switching from one sense to another will help keep me focused… At the same time, when I MILD I repeat my mantra a few times and then just go to sleep as quickly as possible, which I understand you do with this technique as well, instead of repeating it until you fall asleep. So this might work for me.

Just to see if I got it right, I focus on what I see for a few seconds, then on what I hear, then on what I feel, over and over a few times. Then I just try to fall asleep.

If I get vivid images/sounds/touch, I should just focus on them and do a WILD (like I did a few times, as mentioned above)? And what If I get some sensations, but not that vividly, I just move on to the next step?

I think I’ve seen a SILD around, but I don’t remember what it was for (Sound-ILD?), or even if it got used a lot. Doesn’t make much of a difference to me…

and we’ve had lots of DreamViews users joining LD4all lately (for unfortunate reasons :neutral: ), so welcome! :smile: and thanks for sharing this, I’m sure many more people will give it a try.

You summed it up really well. That’s exactly the way to do it. You cycle through the sensations. Each cycle deepens your “state” and you may observe increased calmness and sensations. If one sensation becomes pronounced you should focus on increasing it, like what we typically do in WILD. Otherwise, just finish the cycles and go to sleep – in this case, the cycles pretty much serves the purpose as mantras, except more effective (we all know that communicating to our subconscious via “spoken language” isn’t particularly very effective). In addition, the repeated cycling also tends to create “inertia” which carries into your dreams – similar to how FILD works.

Sometimes we experience sensations but not vivid enough. You can try focusing on it for a few seconds to see if you can increase it. If it stays the same then you should move on to the next steps. Don’t do it for more than a few seconds.

What you said about relaxation is very true. Through my observation it is a major hurdle for many people, experienced LDers included. In fact, most of the time relaxation techniques tend to put the user into the wrong mind/body state. With SILD we don’t need relaxation. Just give your body 4 to 5 hours of sleep and you should be well prepped. Let’s face it – there is no better and easier way to relax than simply to fall asleep, isn’t it? :smile:

I hope you find this technique useful. Don’t hesitate to ask any questions.

Cheers,

Gary

Tried this technique early morning. I only repeated the vision/sound/feel cycle for a couple of times because I was tired and wanted to go sleep. Well… when I fell asleep I had a DILD for so long!

So it worked! :smile:

I remembered to try it this morning, but there was too much noise outside and I was too tired from yesterday, so I had a hard time focusing on dreaming and didn’t get really far with the technique. I had pretty good recall though, and a couple lucid moments (my main problem for the last 2 or 3 years has been to not wake up prematurely from my LD’s… :sad: ). Anyway, I’ll see if I give it another try tonight.

A noisy environment is always a killer! :cry: Judging from the few lucid moments you had, you must have executed the technique correctly! The problem is that you were too tired and the interruption wasn’t helping either. SILD has much better success rate if you are rested well! Let’s hope you have better luck next time :content:

I gave this a try this morning. It was interesting. I have a semi-cold so was really hard to stay still and not swallow deeply. I went through it around 7 or 8 times, dozed off sometime in there, woke up not realizing i dozed off and did 1 more round and tried to move, hitting what felt like a wall. Which i broke through quickly before i realized what it was. Takes me forever to wake up, so I tend not be very coherent when first waking up. So pretty much blew a perfect chance for a deild. First time feeling what SP was like, or breaking through it. Going to give this another try tomorrow it was quite simple to do. Thanks

Sounds promising, I may try it. Can you do whatever you want in order to fall asleep, like, you don’t have to repeat a mantra or anything?

Your physical condition made it harder to achieve success, but sounds like you are on the right track anyway :smile: When doing SILD, remember it is not necessary to stay completely motionless. You should feel as comfortable as possible, as long as you don’t fall asleep before finishing the cycles. Stopping “intentionally” in middle of it is actually okay though.

It is perfectly fine to move somewhat during the exercise, swallowing included. In fact, at step 3c, where one scans for body sensations, one may do it so aggressively to the point she actually moves the physical body. While this is not encouraged as you may lose sleep, it is indeed fine and works equally well.

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Yes you should do whatever to fall asleep quickly. For me that means completely throw away everything and just DO it, but people may differ. No need to chant mantras and telling yourself you will be LDing later. That job has been done by the cycles. Just go to sleep, as quickly as possible. The quicker you can fall asleep, the easier it is for this to work. If you do plenty of repetitions and fall asleep quickly enough, chances are you will experience the strange sensation which you wake up suddenly into a trance with a very clear and alert mind. It feels like miracle. :smile:

I tried this as well. Like mattias I was pretty tired last night and had a harder time concentrating. I did notice vastly increased DR and vividness and a slightly more aware thought process. Definitely seems worth pursuing .

Thank you for trying, Rhewin. Like I said in my other reply to you, I’m hoping together we can refine this promising method!

My suggestion to you is do NOT try this without enough rest, or you may experience anxiety during the exercise. Also do not “concentrate”. In fact, you should do the opposite! Just do it in a lazy, relaxed manner for optimal result. :smile:

well i tried this two times and it worked both times but after 5-6 sec of LD ing i wake up in my bed full of vibrations and strange sound in my head that stays until i get up and that wasn’t FA i RC ed upon waking up

This technique seems very interesting :smile: The only difficult part for me could be falling asleep quickly. Whenever I intentionally try to fall asleep I’m all tense(in mind, not body) and it takes ages. But I guess it can be mastered with practice and experience.

LOL, sounds like you got the effects all overlapped :smile: When LDing, please try not to focus your attention to yourself; instead, focus on your surroundings. Otherwise you may end up being thrown back to bed with FA… of course, your case is kinda different…

Don’t worry about that. The cycling of the senses, if done correctly, can pretty much push you to the edge of falling asleep. And if you have trouble letting go and fall asleep quickly, it is perfectly okay to do it slowly. Just remember, in this case you may drift into a FA without even noticing it. In some instances, you are still awake but your mind/body has already been fully prepped for an OBE. At this point all you need is a bit intention to trigger it. This of course, does require practice.

Hy cosmic.iron! I’m very glad that you joined this forum, I hope you’ll share as much knowledge as possible! :content: I just want to learn!

As I was reading your post it reminded me on FILD tech and I wanted to ask you but I saw in later posts that you mention some similarities so I guess that my guess was a good guess! :grin:

Ok, I like this tech a lot in theoretical way[I yet have to try it] because I do wake up for WBTB every night and my primary tech is WILD, but I combine it with few other techs and I agree with you on the relaxation topic…

So this tech won’t vary a lot from my previous tech that I use and I gave myself at least a week to see if new tech works at all but from what I’ve read it should start to work much faster. So I will keep my progress for next 7 days in this topic in next post.

Thank you for sharing this and welcome! :welcome:

Sounds pretty interesting! Great technique. Only problem is that I can’t force myself to wake up after 5-6 hours, because if I do so, I will never fall asleep again. I have deep insomnia.

But if I wake up by accident, I might as well do it :smile: I’ll post in this thread when I get to use this technique!

Thank you so much! I am quite pleased with my experience on this forum so far. People seem very nice :smile:

The FILD tech does share a lot of similarities with SILD. You can actually replace step 3c with FILD… just don’t do it for too long.

One of my favorite features of SILD is the many levels of backup plans:

  1. You enter a trance while doing the exercise. This is WILD.
  2. If no.1 fails, you fall asleep then wake up at some point later and enter trance. This is kind of an automatic DEILD.
  3. If no. 2 fails, you become lucid in your dreams. This is DILD.
  4. If all else fails you are still very likely to encounter a FA. It requires more skill to utilize it but that’s better than nothing :smile:

As you gain more experience with SILD, you will come to trust its results. Then it will become very simple. With minimal work and without losing sleeps, you will be able to enjoy LD/OBE almost any time you want. In the few months since SILD’s release, quite a few participants learned to induce LDs on a daily basis, and have since recorded hundreds of LDs. Quite impressive indeed! I hope this will work for you as well. Good luck! :smile:

Sorry for your insomnia… that’s painful indeed :sad: Depend on your sleep cycle, you can try SILD before you go to sleep. Some of the guys on my forum actually managed to achieve some good results. If you do wake up by accident, I suggest you to do it in a less intensive way – reduce the number of repetitions, only passively scan for body sensations, etc.

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Alright :content:

Tried it again last night, and this time I did the whole thing. Problem is I think my sleep these past two days has been deeper than normal (which may even not be a problem as my main problem with LD’s is waking up to quickly :razz:).

Anyway, I did it on my back, as I can almost never fall asleep on my back and thought on my side I’d just fall right asleep. After I was done I rolled over and took some time to fall asleep. At a couple moments I wandered a bit and couldn’t remember which step I was on :tongue:. I started feeling vibrations very faintly but had a terrible itch which made them go away. I’ll try on my side tonight and see what happens.

I actually got a few low lucid moments, but getting lucid isn’t that hard for me, so it’s hard to say how much SILD helped there. I’ll try it for a few more days and see how it goes. I want to see if this tech can get me lucid more consistently and also see how it affects my LD’s in terms of vividness and stability. I did realize better DR in terms of quantity of dreams. I guess I just don’t remember that many details because I didn’t write them down right away.