oh and just one more quick thing. what is luck anyway?
Think of it as a diagram looking from the top. No does that seem easier?
The luck question… I wasn’t the one who asked about luck.
for those of you that generally remember more than 3dreams per night here’s a little test for you. this works better with NDs.
- Recall all your dreams you had that night
- Work out how long each dream appeared to last, be it days, weeks, hours or simply 10mins. (bare in mind i’m talking about the passage of time in the dream - not how long the dream took in RL)
- Add the total dream times together
- now put that total next to how long you were actually sleeping for
- Then edit your sleep time to the aproximate dream time.
(by which i mean if you sleep for 6hrs a night you don’t actually dream for that full 6hrs, there’s an estimated time for how long each sleep cycle is right?)
Theoretically the total time that appears to be passed during dreams should be more than the real life time.
but we experience this alot in waking life too. Take books for example, there is enough detail in books to suffeciently follow the characters through weeks of their “lives” and the book it’s self only takes a few hours to read. Yet in retrospect your knowledge of that character is many days/weeks long but it was only a 300page book.
Indeed some things are cut out and may jump time in some chapters, but with a little paragraph giving a summery of what may have transpired in that time. Dreams are the same, you jump occationally from one bit to the next and usually can figure out what “might” have happened in that gap.
On another note the human brain is capable of processing infomation much quicker than we generally use it. So it would be reasonable to assume that dreams use more of this ability by going faster like watching a tape on fastforward but during sleep the brain has more than enough resourses to make it appear real time.
This is something else we occationally use in Waking life too, i’m sure at some point we’ve all had an experiece where we had to make a split second decision. Usually you will weigh the choices and make an educated guess and hope for the best, rather than close your eyes and say “that one”.
well that’s my thoughts on it - i’ll leave you all confused hehe
supernova, i read about this guy who was lding and says he lived 100 years in 2 hours. i dont know how he did it but i do believe that it can be done, i just wish i knew how…
Thats guy took drugs. So I don’t believe in that one. But I do believe in live many years in a LD.
- The chance happening of fortunate or adverse events; fortune.
- Good fortune or prosperity; success.
- One’s personal fate or lot.
Thats luck TimeLess_Soul.
IMHO (‘in my humble opinion’ for those who dont know) you guys are making this waaaay too complicated.
1.in your dreams you are god. end of story(christ, i haven’t even become lucid yet and i know this).
2.in your dreams you are only bound by your perception of reality, yes?
3.and in your dreams your perception of reality is, in fact, the same as the limits to your imagination, right.
if we can all agree on these three things then the quesion of whether or not manipulation of time in a lucid dream is possible should have an obvious answer…DO YOU THIINK YOU CAN OR DO YOU NOT?!?
ofcourse this is all MHO
i reead about that man in a book once called psychic voyages - good book - i believ it was robert monroe but i may be wrong, oh well youll probly be able to find some info jsut look on the net, id liek to read other posts frm people who have had similar experiences
also, he was i believe hee was astral projecting, not LD, if that makes any difference
lol thanx for taht i knew what luck was i was kidding mind you the defs taht u got there pretty good waht i mean is i dont thionk luck has a great deal to do with lucid dreaming
in theory that makes total sence. but there is one thing that you must take into account as far as i am aware at this present state. We can caontrol what goes on inside our own mind not the forces that act outside it. Weather we think we can or cant is a very good question, but it isnt think taht you should be asking it is know. if we think we can fly we might be able to if we know we can fly then we can.
To affect dream time for us we would have to one of a few things.
speed up our minds so that we think faster then real time and therefor seem to stay in the dream longer. but remain inside the real times sleep cycle
slow down real time and there for keeping our brain at its normal speed and also staying inside the dream for a longer time but remain inside the real times sleep cycle
Now if we did 2 we affect everyone else as well…
so is it really all that simple?
I belive that there is no past present and future, they are all one in the same. hard to explain i will post a book taht explains it rahter well if you want. it is a hard thing to grasp but this may be one way of overcomming the factor of there and therefor staying inside ld for what seems ages.
But remember that the body goes through cycles beta gama and delta waves. or was theata in tehre some where i cant remember the fact is we cycle through these. we would ahve to hold our selves in beta for a long time as well. to avoid non rem.
I have been experimenting with slowing down time in my dreams. I recently had some dreams which were several years long. I had a lucid dream which i made last 4 years and i lost lucidity after a few days and the rest of the years were just me going with the flow. I had another dream which lasted 6 years in which I was lucid the whole time and able to do what I want. Through my experiements I would like to agree with Stephen LaBerge is saying that the dreams use an effect similar to movies. Time is cut and were put into a totally different imte and place but given just enough information to understand what we’ve missed plus to trick us into thinking we haven’t missed anything. That’s how I feel after these experiements.
Just for the sake of the argument, if you were to slow down the entire world while asleep, noone would be affected by it. The only thing that would change would be your relation to the outside world (how you perceive time relative to how other people perceive time). But, since you are dreaming, that doesn’t matter either.
Bottom line: It’s possible, although very unlikely.
It’s probably very easy to make it seem like several years have gone by in a lucid dream - but impossible to actually live through all of that time. It would be sort of like living through the “edited highlights” of one year, I suppose.
Well, it seems like our brain can fool us a lot.
This “movie effect” looks like the best answer to this question. Maybe you’ve woke up in the middle of the night and thought that it was morning and then found out that you actually went to sleep an hour ago or so. I’ve experienced that a couple of times, and I think that may be the kind of “feeling” that fools us to believe that years have gone by in a dream.
the speed of thought is faster than the speed of light
i believe it is entirely possible to slow down time in you dreams.
i’ll try when i get lucid and then document my findings on this web site.
I don’t think that speed has anything to do with it at all. Time is really measured by things moving. What I mean by this is that moving things take time. It takes time for the earth to go around the sun. It takes time for the moon to go around the earth. It takes time for you to physically walk across the room.
However, in a dream these things do not actually take time. There are no moving parts in your brain. While there are chemical reactions taking place, these things happen sooooo quickly.
Basically, I feel that there is more dream time every night than real time for every person. It is merely altering your concious perception of these things.
As for “movie effects” being the best answer for it… It IS the answer coz:
A) I know from my own experience.
B) I’m sure scientists have proved that this is how dreams achieve such “apparently” long durations. I read an article about it somewhere…I’m gonna have a look…
So far I can extend time, slow time, speed-up time, reverse time and stop time and save it so I can return to the same point. Is there anything else I haven’t thought of?
Pedro you forgot to loop time!
…You decide what that means…
no offense to anyones belief, but i absolutely refuse to accept that it isn’t possible spend months, or maybe even decades in a dream. when i get lucid i will find a frickin way or die tryin’.
I find it plausable that one could experience a time in their dream which is longer than real time. I hold with those who suggested the the Brain is capable of experiencing much more than it does in waking life. Reasonably, it would be possible then to “speed up” the brain, or experience more events and sensation within the short timespan of a dream. Our minds have the excess capacity to process additional input.
For my own part, I have experienced numerous lucid dreams, but I am not yet proficient enough to carry out such an experiment. Once I can LD at will, or nearly at will, I’ll be resourceful enough to experiment with a technique to speed up my perception.
IT’S EASY TO SPEED UP OR SLOW DOWN TIME - AND USELESS!
We know the amount of time we feel pass can be pretty differnt from what the bloody alarm’s saying. It dreams this differnce might be even larger. It’s just impossible to say how much. Might be possible to feel only twice or even thousand times more time that actually passes while you are asleep. The reason we just can’t say is the physical limit of our brain processing input into memory.
A computer could save one our of our sensual input in a 2gb sized file. But the brain can’t use all that informations, and deletes everything on a one-hour three-step-way from short- to long-term-memory but a single 1.44mb disc. Only these small amount of informations enters your long-term-memory, of which only a small peak is conscious. Most informations sink slowly under the surface into the subconscious. It’s not lost. A trigger can bring it back into your concsious mind - even the oldest memories from childhood or the smell of your primary school.
All this is so important for dreaming because your memory works the same when you dream. When you have a dream you will have an sensual input of less than 2gb - the dream is usually not that real as reality and often you might have to concentrate on a specific sense for completly real impressions. But training LD will improve the the amount of data your memory will feed the sense-centers of your brain and that will make the dream feel more real.
So the amount of information you are able to remember from a 30min-dream will be pretty much the same - it’s up to you if all the information you remember is from 10 minutes or a years of your in-dream-time - it won’t be “more” information, anyway.
If u want to wake up and feel as if u dreamt much longer than you really did you need to manage to wake up as long as the dreams still lasts. It is the only way to remember the some more things when you enjoyed a couple of dreamdays in some hours of sleep.
It takes you brain about an hour to filter all input it had. Up to one hour after you dreamed there will be up to hundred times more information than you will remeber in long-term. And THAT’S WHY U SHOULD ALWAYS WRITE DREAM DIARY