The Artist's Gift of Creation

Here’s an interesting thought experiment:

Do you suppose that the dreams of an artist are any more vivid, or imaginative than those of the average Joe.

On that note: Do the mathematicians and scientists have trouble breaking boundaries in their dreams?

Once you are done thinking about that - chew on this one:

If our dreams can be hyper-realistic, and our dream characters seem to act of thier own accord; who is to say that our entire existance is not the long dream of (insert diety here). Don’t wake sleeping Gods!

That one not juicy enough for you? How about this:

So we realize that we are dreaming at times because we see our hands, and they do not look like they do in waking life. We all know this.

What if what we know as waking life is also a level of dreaming, seperate from an even higher existance; however, we have all forgotten what our real hands look like?

Hehe, perhaps true enlightenment is only as simple, or complex, as remembering what our hands look like :happy:

Everyones dreams are different, and I’m sure they all look different.

Even if we can understand the general point of how the dream was by what another says, can we truely ever understand what they see and feel in their dreams?

I don’t believe their dreams are any more artistic then mine or anyone elses. Just different because they work in a different way.

If we could trade dreams for a night, and every night you did it with a different person. Do you think you would ever see things the same again?

Enlightenment is not remembering what our hands look like. You’re looking too close in the picture, enlightenment has nothing to do with us.

Whos to say (@enlightenment), eh? :smile:

I often wonder whether colors look the same to me as to another. After all, what do we really have to go on besides a word. You can’t describe a color :wink:

I have a theory on that. If we all look at the same piece of paper, you see it as green, I see it as red, another sees it as yellow, but we all call it white. What color is it? We’ll never know will we?

Not until we can transfer consciousness between bodies, anyway :smile:

Well, I thought about it alot way before I got into the dream world, and I still have no answer, but now that I discovered the dream world and the LD’s world, I thought about asking a spiritual guide, but since I had only 1 LD so far, I didn’t, I prefer flying on my first LD :razz: :cloud9: and I’m not wondering about it too much, but I guess that the higher level of reality is after you’re dead - either that or reincarnation or the “We live only once” attitude

As both a artist (or wannabe, lets just say I spend too much time with pen and paper) and physics enthusiast I can say that I have trouble breaking boundaries in LD’s, altough it’s getting better now.

If my dreams are more vivid, no idea really, I often get beautiful scenery, but it’s pretty hard to compare mental images (mainly due to the complete lack of direct transfer of the aforementioned).

You should read some stuff by Ayn Rand.

To paraphrase her, in actual reality the paper has no color, this is only a human lable, you can say that it has a certain frequency of reflecting light, everyone gets the same light into their retinas, it’s just the brains that distord the image.

I thought about that a lot of times too, and I have no answer… :help:
btw, whoever thinks he could get the answer for that in LD’s - He can’t, because LD’s are personal…

God… What is this? Noone ever heard of epistemology?

So what you’re saying the technology in the movie “Strange Days” isn’t possible? Nooo, say it aint so!

As far as we know people find the next level of consiousness all the time. They disappear, or self-combust, or go brain-dead.

I’ve heard of it obviously. I just like to come to my own views. What I know and what I believe I’ve discovered on my own. I spend countless hours meditating and asking myself questions and questions about the questions and questions about the answers too.

Walking through life looking as closely, and as far away, and every shade and depth in between. My views are my views, there is no lable for them.

I am a very scientific person and I do have trouble changing my dream world. It’s all about wishing for sth and believing that it will happen. But since my LD’s are just as “realistic” as real life, I can’t really believe it will change and so it doesn’t.
For example I can only conjure up things behind my back or teleport using a door. It doesn’t work right in front of me, “out in the open”.

As it may be, your question about colors really relates to the question if there is a reality that we all share, or that we’re all trapped in our own little prisons, fantasizing everything we do.

These views may be your views, but Descartes for one made them his views a few hundred years ago, might be worthwhile for you to check him out.
And altough there is a bad aura around the word “lable” just by thinking about something you lable it, I could lable your thoughts under specific philosophic departments, this is not something you have to be ashamed off, but don’t think that not labeling will make your thoughts more unique, because, well, 99,999% of human thought is recycled, whether we know the source the moment it pops up or not.

I do believe that, just like Kit, but I don’t think it’s a little prison at all! I think it’s the opposite, because that way everyone have their fantasy world - don’t you think that’s great? I do believe that the reality is common for everyone, but each and every one has his/her point of view… :razz: