The BIG sleep paralysis and old hag topic Part II

it was obviously some kind of hallucination. anyway the ideea of having a short, ugly old hag sit on you and keep looking at you sounds horrifying.

I don’t know how i’m going to try to LD tonight, im too scared :eek:

check this out. This is how I imagine the hag:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fuseli_nightmare.jpg

How do SP feel ?
Hard question I know , but Its hard to know ! :wink: Im not sure whether I`ve made it to Sp or not :sad:

A few nights ago while I were trying to WILD , or I said to myself "this night will i wake up at 4 am " for WBTB, but i said every time i breathed , i heard a laughter ,it was a loud scary laughter , badguy in a movie … but I knew it wasn`t dangerous and just ignored it and it disappeard! :cool_laugh:

But how does SP feel like ?
Is it necessarely to not can move AT ALL or ?
And must you have SP to WILD ?

Petter

For some reason, i REALLY want to have old hag. i hear about how scary it is, but also reading about the succubus parts in thread 1 was what made me want to do that. also, you can enter a LD. i had SP once, but i wasn’t even scared. it was complete daylight out, and i felt fine. i just went to sleep again.

Come on. “Old hag” is almost a medieval idea. If you have ever experienced sleep paralysis there can be a feeeling of a prescence in your room. It’s happened to me many times and is actually a lucid dream. you can convert it into something great if your mind allows.

It’s not a dream because it happens during sleep paralysis and while awareness is hovering between waking an dreaming. Furthermore, you can only transform it into something pleasant IF you can become lucid during the experience and IF you have the mental power to change it. And that is not very easy imo, because if you’re nonlucid initially, the terrifying fear can be difficult to overcome once you become lucid. It’s not all that straightforward.

Sleep paralysis in my experience is a very brief stage where you cross over into dream sleep. If you experience "old hag " type hallucinations then you have allready crossed into dreaming and can convert this into a lucid dream by doing a reality check. I’m sure because I do it regularly. I have found that I can break out out of the paralysis and roll out of my own body, becoming lucid in my own room. If you are paralysed without any auditory or visual hallucinations then you are probably still awake, but once any “old hag” type phenomenon is experienced your view of your room is a dream view and lucidity can be quickly induced.

nickspry, any advice on how to induce SP?

True, but the SP and Old Hag experience are still no dream or part of a dream, beit lucid or not. The Old Hag experience is about hypnagogic or hypnopompic hallucinations, which are different from a real dream. But you’re right that you can induce LDs from SP.

There is still an incredible confusion between Old Hag/sleep paralysis trouble and HH/WILD. I’ve about 100 LD’s and never saw any Old (nor Young) Hag. Most of the WILD’ers never experienced Old Hag, unless they had the sleep paralysis trouble before and became lucid dreamers later.

The Old Hag syndrome is probably due to the melatonine rate. And even despite this, most of the sleeped paralyzed people never experienced Olg Hag, so that just about 1% of the population are subject to the OH syndrome. By the way, they do no more see an Old Hag, they generally see little green men. :tongue:

Well, all the scientific research being conducted with Old Hag experiences have pointed to a combination of HH and SP.

From: “Hypnagogic and hypnopompic hallucinations during sleep paralysis: neurological and cultural construction of the night-mare.” - Cheyne, 1999

I used to always have old hags when i was young. They would normally turn up as a big scary animal like a black bear or a gigantic wolf. And the weird thing was that they always used to happen whenever i changed around the positions of my room. And they used to scare the living day out of me… so now everytime i have my room switched i get kinda scared :tongue:
But i do want to experience it again though cause i reckon now that i know about LD’ing i could possibly change the old hag into something else. I remember them being really really vivid to… and i would always wake up just as the old hag had attacked me.
I did have sleep paralysis about a month ago aswell, it was an attempt at WILD, and i was in a dream involving weird things, and i had a recording playing in my headphones repeating the words “you are dreaming”, and during the dream, i heard this and went Lucid :content: But then everything went black and i could feel my normal body again, but my eyes were closed tight and i was shaking violently, then i felt a humoungous pressure on my chest, but still couldnt see anything… then i thought to myself that i could be on the verge on an OBE, so i tried to “jump” out of my body, but just would myself up :sad:

MiTcHy

Yes, but I think that the SP they talk about is not the dumbness you feel when you fall asleep (unless you have the SP trouble and thus SP episodes when you fall asleep, like Julian D. Iron).

I asked the question there: WILD, do you really have sleep paralysis. This thread got very few answers so that I suppose that people really feeling complete paralysis during WILD are very few. It seems that Xetrov and Popov agree with me. Moreover, WILD HH are quite different from SP trouble HH. In WILD, you see them in front of your eyes. In a few severe cases of SP trouble, it looks more like a LD, you sometimes see your bedroom and someone inside.

So I would like to stop this (silly?) confusion between the Olg Hag syndrome, i.e. the sleep paralysis trouble with severe hallucinations and what you can experience during WILD.

ok im a little freaked out about this whole “old hag” thing. should i really be scared though? I need advice! Does it only happen when you do Wild or does it happen when you try to lucid dream period? I have been researching lucid dreams a while now but still havent had one but i am curious about this topic. :help:

Heh…Old hag should be considered a good experiance, you could imagine something else…heh…

I liken being scared of ‘Old Hag’ to the same as being scared of watching a scary movie. It’s fiction, you’re only affected to a certain degree by how much you belive the experience is real.

Dragon_dreams, do you have read the post I wrote just above yours? Old Hag is an hallucination which occurs when you’re subject to a sleep trouble which is due to the melatonine rate cycle. If you haven’t a severe case of this sleep trouble, you’re likely to never see an old hag.

By the way, Old Hag is totally old-fashioned. Nowadays, sleep paralyzed people see ET’s. :tongue:

I disagree with the current thinking on “old hag”. As I said before, I believe that experiencing strange phenomenon in your bedroom can be simply proven to be a lucid dream by means of a reality check. The next time you experience this pinch your nose shut. If you can still breathe through your pinched nose you are dreaming.

StEvE21,
Sleep paralysis usually begins with vibrations. When you are totaly relaxed you may begin to feel a vibration state creeping up on you. If you feel this, don’t fight it, go with the flow and let it intensify. It can become almost unbearbly intense - this is good and will lead to a lucid dream if you go with the flow.
Happy days.

There was one time when I felt a presence in my room. I was in sleep paralysis: I could distinctly remember not being able to move; and there was this white-valed entity walking back and forth behind me - and me unable to turn around and look. It was very paranormal!

I forgot about this topic. Oh well, i understand what old hag is now, and should this be combined with The big old hag and sleep paralysis topic?

Topic merged.