The BIG VILD Topic - Part I

It hasn’t worked for me yet. Last night LD’s was spontaneously induced (first I did a WBTB & WILD and I just slept after counting) and through this method I had a “thinking” dream about dreaming. I’m ready to give it another try however, perhaps I’ll be third time lucky.

When I visualize something too much or too vividly (which is usually the case, especially with this method) i tend to either get distracted or remain awake longer or both! this is baaad. in short i’m just a bad sleeper. it can take me up to 2 hours to fall asleep even when i’m tired. i’ve been working on this though and i think i’ve recently been falling asleep in about 10-20 minutes, but this is without conciously thinking of anything, i just let my thoughts flow, otherwise i can’t sleep. i just give myself a quick reminder (i’m going to have long and interesting dreams tonight, - or something to that effect) and then let go.

i just ordered some CD’s from which i hope will help. i got SoundSleep which will hopefully put me to sleep quickly and in turn i’ll be able to focus on some VILD’s or MILD’s or WILD’s that usually keep me up.

and i also got a memory and concentration enhancing CD because i’m pretty weak in both those areas…

i’ll report back on the effectiveness of these CD’s when they arrive and after some exreimenting with them.

keep up the posts Pedro you have very interesting dreams and methods!


Hey Pedro!

I got up at 11am today but was still really tired so I decided I’d read the forum for a while before going back to bed. I happened to stumble upon your post and it was really good reading! I tried doing the VILD as I was falling asleep and I managed to fall asleep thinking it but I didn’t dream it. However… I had a dream and about half way through it I realised I was dreaming and I was crawling on walls like Spiderman - it was pretty neat for a 2nd LD ever!

So, thanks a lot for your post. Hope you’ll write more soon :smile:

Pedro, your VILD method sounds very solid. It makes complete sense to me. I’m going to try it tonight. I have also been reading your dream diary and would like to thank you for it. Every time I read an entry (it’s usually before bed) I lucid dream like a mad woman. I also downloaded some of the files from and I’m planning on using those tonight.

I’ll let you know how it goes. Hopefully, it goes well, of course.

Keep the great posts coming. :cool_laugh:

Keep on truckin’ err dreaming. One day I’ll get that lucid dream. And let me be the first to welcome you to the forums Iamgreenfairy.
Welcome to your new home Iamgreenfairy!

Oh my god I forgot how long this post was! Lol. I never did a workcount on it…

The funny thing is I just sat and started typing and tthen didn’t stop till the end! I didn’t think about it beforehand…I just typed! Scary…I can’t do that for an otehr essays or anything!

ANYWAY…I just found it and thougt I’d give it a post since the thread has been a bit lonely for a while!

Still not revieved an award for “most pointless amount of writing EVER” yet lol! Maybe the Guiness book of records would take it…

Since I read the entire thing from start to finish, it is obvious it is worth it(I usually read nothing). Nice job pedro, I shall try it multiple times until i can get it. So far I like this method better then any of the other ones I’ve read about.

Great post, it really makes a lot of sense.

I have tried this technique adapted to waking up early in the morning, 5am and then starting in with my dream scenario.

No luck so far.

I like it. Thanks for pouring that out of your mind onto the page. I will work this into my habits.


I finally read the tech, and indeed it seems very interesting…
But one thing i wonder though… From what i read, you say you are able to induce LD’s in evning using this technique??

I will definantly try this. I’ve been have very vivid dreams of late two or three a night but there always so far out there and in no way relate to everyday life so i never think do do a RC.

Oh, What if you enter a dream state but don’t realize it and cuntine going through your premade dream for the intire time your dreaming.

any way i’m ganna try it tonight.

Very well written Pedro :cool_laugh: I have decided I’m gonna start practicing this method now :smile:
Although something doesn’t seem to make sense… When you go to sleep at evening, your body goes through some stages before entering REM mode. So why do you claim that you immediately enter your dream after visualizing that dream scene?

Well…if you watch a film and are thinking about the film and then you fall asleep I’m sure you will probably dream of the film…but maybe not.

But lets assume you did dream of the film. Im sure you don’t REMEMBER any of the other sleep periods…you have no recollection of the periods between RL and dreaming. So it seems immediate. Im thinking of my dream scene over and over and suddenly I realize that this time I aint imagining it! I’m in the dream…how strange…

I wonder if Pedro could get himself a NovaDreamer (turn the signals off of course!) or an EEG and find out if the incubated dream occurs immediately after you fall sleep, 90 minutes after (first REM period) or in a longer and later period? You can try to check by waking up immediately after becoming lucid and noting the time.

By the way Pedro, you will be extremely bored of lucid dreaming by the time your “flat out” competition stops! I’m hoping to get a lucid dream every few days but not too often or I’ll get bored very quickly! :sad:

It isn’t boring…having complete freedom. I love it everytime…it’s what to do with the freedom now thats annoying me! I end up doing the same things all the time :sad:

This is so cool trying to get as many as possible though…I’m soooo sure I can get 6 in one night if I can work out my sleep pattern…I’m trying to work my way up to it…it’s one of my targets or goals at the moment!

And how high have you flown?

You’re making amazing use of it though Pedro. I mean, with the band and everything. Maybe you should disect some frogs :tongue: .

What do you do in your dreams now? Do you just get lucid, wake up, VILD, get lucid again…? That might mean sleep deprivation :neutral:

I usually try anything that pops to mind coz I aint fussy anymore…fly, body swap, morph…anything.

OR… I let myself lose lucidity for the sake of having an interesting dream!

OR…(and most usually) I just create a skateboard and skate everywhere! My dreamscape is the only place I can do a 900 degree melon and then land straight into a handstand manual and then pop up onto a rail and do a crooked darkslide and then switch to 50-50 and then hardflip off the rail and land. The let everyone clap and cheer. Lucid-skating is what I usually do if nothing else springs to me mind…it’s quite an adreniline rush and I usually wake up in a very good mood and energized after it!

grin Well, admittedly in my first lucid dream just last night I did do some backwards somersaults but they went pretty slowly so not hugely fun. Still cool to watch the ground wheel by…

Pedro, I liked your other post a long time ago, but now you have outdone yourself. Thanks a million for the excellent information and techniques.

By the way, I’m not really new here, I just thought I’d change my username to this because I think it’s cooler. :content:

Hey Pedro. Thanks for posting such an excellent method. In my opinion, your method seems as if it would be the most effective.

Thanks again for posting it!!! :smile: