The Circle of Sound (np: K.O.D. by Tech N9ne)

Well put, Monkberry Moon Delight is pure solo McCartney. You could tell that he really was the driving force behind them, you could hear his musical genius in all the Beatles songs.

Funny, because I had this ava before I stumbled upon the Ram topic. :peek:

I would agree for the later Beatles most definitely - he was the one who took the reigns and pushed the band, mainly because George and John and Ringo were wanting to leave the band and do other things. I remember reading a quote that Ringo said it wasn’t “healthy” for them to remain working in the same studio together anymore. I would say that while Paul made them force two of their best albums out, he probably made the relationships so uncomfortable and forced that the band wouldn’t want to return to the studio again. Maybe, MAYBE if John didn’t get assassinated by that nutjob, they would’ve made one in the mid to late 80’s. But still, Paul was the driving force in the late albums for sure. His medley at the end of Abbey Road is probably one of the greatest moments in musical history after all.

Well put.
Yeah, he wanted to continue so bad, but in the end he just had to let it be. They all had their own things going on during that time.

Hey everybody, I’ve been put in charge this month of selecting an album. Of course, i’m having trouble choosing one but I had a few come to mind. After a good listen in my own library I came up with one of my personal favorites:

The second of The Who’s rock operas, Quadrophenia.

From wiki: Its story involves social, musical, and psychological happenings from an English teenage perspective, set in London and Brighton in 1964 and 1965.

I grew up listening to this album. Unfortunatly, back then, I disliked this kind of music because my dad loved it (you might be familiar with this). Anyways, the track listing is here:

Side one

  1. “I Am the Sea” – 2:08
  2. “The Real Me” – 3:20
  3. “Quadrophenia” – 6:15
  4. “Cut My Hair” – 3:46
  5. “The Punk and the Godfather”[4] – 5:10

Side two

  1. “I’m One” – 2:39
  2. “The Dirty Jobs” – 4:30
  3. “Helpless Dancer” – 2:32
  4. “Is It in My Head?” – 3:46
  5. “I’ve Had Enough” – 6:14

Side three

  1. “5:15” – 5:00
  2. “Sea and Sand” – 5:01
  3. “Drowned” – 5:28
  4. “Bell Boy” – 4:56

Side four

  1. “Doctor Jimmy” – 8:42
  2. “The Rock” – 6:37
  3. “Love, Reign o’er Me” – 5:48

Slight edit, please remember it is not allowed to facilitate copyright infringement. :dragon:

Happy listening

Got the album. Just skimmed the wikipedia article on it, and then some reviews. Now I’m listening to it for the very first time.

Ah cool. I have this on vinyl actually, and I’ve listened to it a few times. I really like the thing, but it has fueled many a rant by me and my brother. For instance, Bell Boy, a decent though questionable song considering the quality of the other songs on the album, was put on the album. They put it on there so it would suit the album’s concept of the story that they’re telling. Without it, the album would be stronger, because let’s face it, the song isn’t their greatest piece of work. This frustrates me, because look at Who’s Next. Who’s Next is the Who’s greatest album, and it succeeded because the “concept album” idea failed, and they just strung great songs together, something that they would have been much more adept at doing if they could just let the whole “rock opera” concept down for a while. I’m of the mind that sometimes the concept needs to be looser so as to avoid limiting the quality of the album. Like, on Tommy, does Tommy need to get raped by Uncle Ernie? Honestly, why was that necessary?

Good choice though :razz:

haha, good points :razz:

And Bruno, how do you like it so far?

I really like “I’ve Had Enough”, the song changes three times giving it a good feel. And Doctor Jimmy is amazing. And just listen to John and Keith going crazy in 5:15, Keith’s drumming sounds like a train towards the end.

Edit: What did I do that was not allowed? I forget what I wrote :silent:

It’s that «we’re rock and roll and we’re here to shock you out of your bones» mentality they had during big hundred-year-war that was the 20th century. Concept albums are not the problem, the necessity to cause an impact at all cost is. It’s responsible for Pink Floyd being 4019% worse than it should be. There’s just so much adult whining I can stand, and Roger Waters manages to get past that line on every single album or performance he touches.

Not my favourite album of all times, but some really great songs! :open_mouth:

I don’t usually appreciate albums where I have to pay attention to the lyrics. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fairly lyrics-oriented listener. But I like to be able to get distracted. I like to come back to the song at a later time and listen to something entirely new. It’s like literature, really: who can honestly say that they never skip a paragraph, jump forward to have a peek at some sentences, or at occasion simply read the last page first? Being chained to some linear order makes this album very un-rock-and-roll overall.

But the music is great. Some of these songs, wow, amazing, amazing work — everything comes together in a big, musical, orgasmic «YES!» in songs like punk & godfather, 5:15, and dr Jimmy. Great stuff!

Probably a link to a torrent file, or a tip on how to find one. :tongue:

Oh yeah… that’s right :shy: haha

Glad you like it, oh yeah, The Who is famous for it’s big, musical, orgasmic «YES!» parts.


Agreed. I can’t listen to the Wall anymore…it used to be my favourite by theres for a while, the anger of it really attracted me. But now, I’m not very angry, (or actually, more like, I’m not AS angry as I was), and basically it’s just a pessimistic romp like all his other albums. Don’t get me wrong, he definitely has his place. Just, it gets old after a while.

Hmm, this comment reminds me of an episode of the Simpsons, past the tenth season for some reason. I stopped watching it for not only because it lost what made it special, but also for this reason, that if you miss the first five minutes of an episode, you have no idea how the characters got into a specific place. Like, lets say, the episode where Homer takes up medical marijuana for his glacoma. At the start of the episode, he beats up a scarecrow that was scaring crows away, making the crows love him and follow him. Eventually, he tells them to go away, and they attack him, and the birds peck at his eyes. He then goes for drugs. See what I mean, it makes no sense.

For me, I’m more like, notice the lyrics, pay attention to the chorus and some of the lyrics somewhat, but don’t really bother with them for the first 30 listens, where I decide if it still has something to offer after that.

Of course, Dr Jimmy has to mention rape. What Who album would be incomplete without a rape reference? :content:

My favourite on the album is Helpless Dancer. I really love the back and forth of it, with Pete in one speaker and Roger in the other one.

Now here’s something that feels straight out of my head! :rofl: Mind stalker! :tongue:

You should really ellaborate on your music appreciacion process one of these days, it sounds like you deal with music in a very particular, a very personal manner.

Which Pink Floyd album (post-Syd) doesn’t mention the loss of a beloved one? :lol:

I hadn’t paid proper attention to it the first time I listened to the album. Was probably reading something or trying to figure out where my sister was (she left without her mobile today, so I wanted to know when she was coming back etc)… Now that you mentioned, I went back to it and, well, it grew on me! This is a really cool song! —not just the call-and-response pattern you mention, lots of things are just right. Very nice. Gotta love the shivery feel the piano and guitar effects provide at different points.

Glad you guys have taken to it, well Bruno at least. haha

Yeah, Jon, I feel the same way about The Wall, you have to be in a certain state of mind to really get into it. Along with Animals, or The Final Cut.

This album grows on me every time I listen to it. (I’ve been listening to it a lot). '73, when this album was released, punk still wasn’t born, even in the US, but it’s like Velvet Underground, you simply cannot ignore the whole punk thing going on full throttle in this album… mixed with, surprise of surprises, elements of prog rock! These guys were reinventing hard rock with this album, this is wild whiskey to the ears, it’s like a Led Zeppelin meets Jethro Tull meets The Clash concept album.

And then there are these little reocurring musical phrases and themes, the shambling piano, the fanfaresque horns, and that leitmotif which Townshend and Daltrey sing to in Helpless Dancer. (I caught myself whistling that tune today, while buttering a toast for breakfast). This kind of things gets me really into the album, it extradicts the album to the rest of my living. I’ve been breathing Jimmy even when I’m not listening to this album, it makes such a strong statement that after listening to it some three times you can’t get it out of your head, it changes your route and your pace for a while. (At least that’s how I deal with music).

Cool! Never expected that, that’s exactly how I feel with it. But I thought that everybody would be turned off by the reacurring “raaaiinn onn mee” :tongue:

I love it in “I’ve had enough” at exactly 1:22 into the song, that part is actually one of my first childhood memories. That’s why I chose this album.


At the risk of going a little of topic, your comment reminded me of another song, REM’s «Losing my Religion». My dad was obsessed with this song back when I was very little and we lived in the farm, and whenever we actually had to go to the town by car, he would play that album, and this song struck me really hard for some reason. Still today I don’t like to listen to it next to other people, it’s a somewhat personal song to me, it brings very old, dear memories.

Funny, huh? How these songs from our childhoods can, well, hunt us down for life with memories and emotions and wow. Heh.

Another experience of sorts to report. Because today I had Led Zeppelin’s Physical Graffiti play, and as I listened to «Kashmir», it suddenly felt right to listen to Quadrophenia in a different manner. So I changed my play queue to it, and indeed, the fifteen minutes of Zeppelin had changed my mood or something… The album just felt different.

I listened the first side, but as 5:15 started playing I needed to go back from rock to jazz, so I once again tweaked my queue, adding lots of Yoko Kanno & The Seatbelts to it: two hard bops, followed by a blues, a bebop, a bunch of blues and jazz, some rock, some pop, more blues, more jazz, some more rock and then two pieces of soul music.

It was quite a sequence! And Quadrophenia really fit in. I think I’m assimilating its mood or something, I can live by it at times and not live by it at others. I’ve been whistling it’s leitmotif every now and then these days, and sometimes I pace myself on the rhythm of one of its songs, this musical immersion has been a really nice idea. I’ll definitely join the circle of sound next month! :cool_laugh:

You are most certainly correct, dear Bruno. I’ve been “into” music for about 5 years, that’s when I stumbled in on my brothers CD collection and began to listen to his stuff. Before that, I wasn’t really into it. But I really liked this - I was listening to albums in their full forms and it was great. Mainly, I listen to an album, without skipping a song or a single song on it. The first 3-5 listens are really important I find, that if you’re in a bad mood during those first few listens, you aren’t going to listen to the thing again. Happened to me for Jimi Hendrix’s Band of Gypsies, his best selling album. Screwed me over, it’s supposed to be really good. Also, first few listens I decide if I want to keep listening to it. If it gets a good rating on wikipedia, like by music guide or something, and I still don’t like it, I’ll listen to it about 5 more times, and if I don’t like it, I can (justifiably) put it away and come back to it later when I wanna listen to it some other time. Most of the time, I don’t like all of the songs on the album initially, but over time I get to like it a lot.

Usually I listen to the music to enjoy myself, so I don’t pay too much attention to lyrics, and just allow myself to think when listening to it. Makes for a good backdrop as well, if I’m doing something else. If I’m really into the album, and I really like it, I’ll start listening to the lyrics a lot closer to see if I can find something in it more that I can get out of it that I haven’t gotten already. That’s usually around 30-40 listens. By then, if an album is unoriginal or typical of the artist, or if it has little depth to its lyrics that I do pay attention, I probably won’t give it too much attention and stop listening to it. Most albums I won’t listen to more than 25 times.

Now, this will come off as really anal, but I’ve established a bunch of rules for myself that I for the most part abide by, that I’ve found to be what works best so I get the best possible experience when I listen to music.

  1. Never do more than one album by an artist at a time. (This is VERY important, it’s easy to get tired of a band if too much is taken on at once. This is how I killed Bob Marley and Led Zeppelin for myself, I just never listen to them anymore because I was doing 4 of them at a time. Plus, artists where I didn’t do too many at once, I can go again if they’re really good, listen and enjoy it, where I can’t really do that with Led Zeppelin or Bob Marley any more).
  2. Double Albums: Only do one disc at a time.
  3. Never skip a song on an album (unless it’s irritating, like Mother on Synchronicity, even though I actually like the song now).
  4. After 30-40 listens, you may listen to single songs off of an album, though it’s still frowned upon.
  5. Don’t do Captain Beefheart albums.
  6. Patience with new albums.
  7. Don’t listen to the same album more than once per day. Makes you get tired of it really quick.
  8. Don’t do too many albums at one period. (A good number I’ve found to be was about 4-5 max)
  9. Some albums/artists are better in certain seasons, for instance, Bruce Springsteen in the summer, and Bob Dylan in late fall/winter. Enjoy them in their right seasons, for the most part.
  10. Only branch out to new genres a little at a time. Easy to get exhausted from too much new stuff at once.
  11. Later on, after 20 listens, don’t force an album too often. A little is fine, but not too much. Makes you get tired of it fast.

There, that’s the foundation I’ve layed for myself. It really works well I find. At times it can be damned irritating, but it’s very rewarding overall. I was going to leave it at 10, as in, the 10 Commandments, but meh, 11 isn’t bad either.

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I do the complete opposite! :lol: My usual routine is like, download the whole discography (disclaimer: it’s legal in Brazil, please abide by your own country’s law), add a beep noise between albums, listen to it end-to-end.

This really depends on the nature of the album, I guess I wouldn’t do that to a concept album. But most of the time, you’re right, it can get tiring if you’re really trying to appreciate, taste an album.


Hahaha, I have no problems with single songs or with playlists, but I guess that’s because of my culture. I grew up in the countryside, most music I listened to came from custom-missed cassete tapes, in the «I mixed a tape for you» fashion, with a carefully thought set list and some funky transition effects. So I always valued songs for their value within a sequence, but not necessarily the album. A playlist can do to a song as much justice as its original album.


True, and hard learnt.

I don’t have a problem with that, I can get burnt out and just prefer listening to something else, I’ve never gottent to the point where music actually gets annoying to me.

Also true for playlists.

Funny. I’d definitely put Springsteen on winter and Dylan on summer. Well, whatever, we get to listen to them at the same time. :tongue:

Also, if it’s not something you’re used to, go check a music encyclopedia (yeah, sure, wikipedia will do if you have nothing better) to learn the language. You can actually appreciate jazz a lot better if you understand how a song is split in parts and how they work; and you cannot ever appreciate hip hop without understanding what’s at play there — the closest you’ll get to hip hop without knowing their culture is being a crazy «yo ma, look at me, I’m from da hood» poseur.

This tends to happen naturally for me so meh. :tongue:

Nice to see your routine, I’ve got to put it to practise one of these days and see what happens. :grin:

Yes, I agree. Bands, or artists go through changes, and albums are always different as they progress. They always have a different feel.

Take Pink Floyd, the changes are obvious. Listen to Piper at The Gates of Dawn, then skip over to The Wall and tell me there are no differences.

I don’t know man, the song was placed there for a reason. If you listen to it you might get a message that you didn’t get if you skip it. This has happened to me before.

What, are you crazy? Maybe after two listens for me. That’s enough time for the album’s message, if any, to sink in. After that, I listen to favorite tunes. But I still go back and listen to the whole album though.

I did some looking and Bruno, apparently he’s some sort of artist.

Of course, although I tend to not have as much patience with The Stones as I would … The Beatles. They were never creative with there stuff and most of their songs were filler (Stones). The only exception being Their Satanic Majesties, one of my favorite albums of all time.

But yes, patience is a good quality to have when it comes to albums.

Not for me, I can listen to some stuff all day if I feel like it. But I have to be in a certain mood to begin with to listen to a whole album.

Perhaps for one band, but why not listen to different bands at one time, it may even be beneficial.

Although I do find Springsteen to be a summer guy, I wouldn’t restrict him to a season :tongue:.

I don’t usually branch out to new genres, I’m a music isolationist.

I would never consider “forcing an album”. Like I said, if I’m in a certain mood, I’ll play an album that is relative to it. The Who’s by Numbers is a good one if you’re angry.

I have to say I do not like your set of rules man. I mean, yes there are faux pas, like patience with an album, but you seem to have made music into a science, which is wrong!

I have a friend that does that actually. I suppose it comes naturally to some, like he typically likes music the first time he hears it somehow, so whatever works I suppose.

Ooh, I should try that sometime. I tried that once, it sounded pretty good. It takes a while to find music that flows into each other naturally, and most of the time the artist (if the album is good enough) has already done that for you.

Captain Beefheart

He’s an artist that is impossible to like. He plays bad on purpose, like, a lot of flats and sharps, and is just painful and exhausting to hear. I’ve had a lot of patience with the guy, but it’s just not working. I should give him another shot one of these days though…maybe someday I’ll like his stuff.

Well, I don’t get tired of music, I just get tired of the artist, or the album really quick, and generally I find I get a lot more out of it by listening to it a maximum of once per day than if I were to listen to it twice per day instead. Like, Joni Mitchell’s Blue, a really really good album, I listened to it twice per day for a long time, and I got burnt out from it. That was too bad, because it’s really, really good.

hahaha, I play this one a bit looser than most of the other ones. If I feel like listening to something, usually I do, just I find when an artist is “out of season” per se, I don’t enjoy it as much as I would if it were the “right” season.

Interesting. I found that with sports, like European Football or American Football, that if I knew what one team was trying to accomplish by using a particular tactic, I enjoyed it a lot more than if I was just watching it clueless. I never would have thought that this idea might carry over to music…

Hehehe, it’s less of a routine and more of a code of law :tongue:

Mother, by the Police Some songs are just unlistenable. Never is a strong word, which is why I used it, but there are songs which deserve to be skipped.

Meh, do what you like, I’ll do it mine. I get a lot more out of listening to full albums than I ever will with single songs. I find the “hits” that people tend to like upon the first listen are usually my least favourite track by the time I get around to the later stations in my listening, and that the album tracks that radio stations overlook are much better songs.

Well, unless you were listening to their 80’s stuff, what I am about to say is completely void, I completely understand. The Rolling Stones were very crappy in the 80’s, quite frankly, they stopped trying, and they sucked. However, to brush aside Aftermath, Between the Buttons, Sticky Fingers, Beggars Banquet, Exile On Main Street and Let It Bleed as “filler” shows that you really need to listen to them more than twice to “get” them. Because Exile On Main Street is certainly not filler, neither are any of the albums that I’ve mentioned. All of them, at worst, are very solid works, and at best are straight up masterpieces. They may not be the Beatles, but they are certainly pretty close.

Music snobs :razz:

Fair enough, they tend to get old pretty quick that way though, for me at least.

What are you, one of ‘em creationists! Not likin’ Science? aheeh heeh heeh!

Fair enough, my style isn’t to your liking. I do have it down as a science, it is true. Still, under this science of mine, I’ve enjoyed music more in the past 1-2 years under it than I have away from it.

But, anyway, why is this science wrong? Other than calling it that, you didn’t really give any reason as to why you dislike it.