well, i see all these topics on “why its so hard”… and that your rem isnt set up right or w/e, well when i try wild, all i do is
lay on couch (tired, and this is from being up)
watch tv for likea hour
lower the volume
close eyes
just get it all out and for 15 minutes think as much as you want
now that all your “mhm… should i do this tomaorow…?..” is taken care of
just lye there and dont think
after like 20 minutes i feel and hear the HI happening
i hear my name being called…
then i feel weird (very)
then its sorta hard to explain but you just some how can be standing and your eyes are already open and ur in the dream!
i dont see why WILDS are so hard… i guess its just me…
No, it’s not just you, it’s me too, it has to do with our sleeping patters and such,
I can fall asleep in a flash if I’m tired enough, other people, if they focus on anything, they can’t fall asleep at all, nobody’s mind is the same, so that doesn’t apply to everyone.
I’m glad you can do a WILD so well, I’m very impressed, I can do a WILD when I first go to sleep, but it does take longer,
and usualy when I’m tired enough to do it, I just want to get to sleep, but since I frequently wake up in the middle of the night, a new technuiqe I discovered called “chaining” works wonders,
I don’t have to wait for the HH, I use the dream I just exited,
since I’m still seeing the imagery of it, I just go from there, skip half of the WILD process, plus since I’m already really tired since I just woke up at 3:00 AM, theres no problem getting back to sleep,
I get at LEAST one LD every night now using that techniuqe, and since I rareley ever have a LD that doesn’t end in me waking up, I could have five in a night if I wanted to,
but then I get to thinking “If I keep waking up like this, I’m gonna be tired as heck in the morning” so I just stop and go back to sleep normally.
So WILD’s really aren’t that hard for some people, but for others they can bee seemingly impossible.
I can’t speak for everyone, but unless i’m really tired, it takes a while for me to go to sleep. Trying to WILD can delay that sleep for over an hour if I stick to it. I try every night and when I wake up in the night, but after an hour or so of trying to WILD I just can’t give any more sleep up to practice it on most week days. Not to mention the farthest I have ever gotten was weak HS, so it’s not exactly encouraging.
I think WILD is far more difficult than other methods (RC, MILD, etc.) because it requires the person to stay between consciousness and unconsciousness. It’s a hard line to travel, whereas with RC’s, MILD, etc. the body will do what it naturally should, namely fall from consciousness to unconsciousness. It’s hard to train the body and mind to do something it probably hasn’t done before…
That, and it’s a lot more difficult to explain to people, so they don’t know what to expect, which is why we have all of those “am I doing this right?” topics…
Yeah it is as simple as that, but not for everyone you obviousely know your balance and its a very cool thing to get right, but can i ask what your sleeping patten was like at that time you did it? Normally its very hard to do a WILD from first going to bed due to the small REM periods.
Sorry I missed your question after reading through this topic twice…
Anyway, personally, I WBTB after about 6-7 hours of sleep. Well, I think I do, because that’s how I autosuggest when I’m going to wake up. Personally, I hardly ever check the clock when I WBTB, though…
I think I’m getting closer and closer to a successful WILD, but it’s definitelly not that easy for everyone. I’m finding hard to reach my balance, I either drift into a ND for not being aware enough, or I won’t even reach HH because I’m way too aware. Not to mention the HH can be quite frightening to most people (not my case though).
It is definitely not easy for me, though it seems a lot of it comes from not being tired enough to actually fall asleep. I think fast sleepers have better results with this technique.
I keep trying, however, since I always have wanted to know what it is like to fall asleep consciously and I have made some interesting experiences in the process.
(Of course, it would also be cool to just be able to do WILD. )
Maybe one problem many people have is with this (percieved) paradox - you try to fall asleep, but also to stay awake. Seeing it a little different (and more correct) might help: You’re trying to fall asleep, but also to stay conscious. Understanding the difference between asleep/awake and conscious/unconscious, and that the two can be independant, could be much of the problem of WILD.
Now I didn’t WILD yet either (didn’t try much), but I’ve done the opposite on a few occasions: losing consciosness/lucidity while awake (I was in church and quite tired, but had to stand for a while. I drifted off, and suddenly “woke up” again, and it took me a second to realise where I was) . Maybe I can make it work the other way around…
MedO: I went through Basic Military Training at one point, and pushing one to the limit is something that they strive for.
We were all at the limits of no sleep, but of course we still had to perform. I remember clearly marching in formation, and then waking up again an undetermined amount of time later while still remaining in formation and in step.
That was a strange experience with losing consciousness while my body was still awake and functioning. Of course I didn’t really reflect on this until much later, when I was away from the stresses of BMT.
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