WILD failed yet again

I think I can get to sleep paralysis. One time I woke up in the middle of the night, and I actually couldn’t move, and I heard and saw weird things, but according to some sources, that’s not sleep paralysis. According to sources, SP is a protection against unintentional movement, where you kinda can’t feel things you’re touching. I thought this was meditation. shows how much I know :tongue: anyway, I can get to sleep paralysis really really easily, but from there, I can’t get into a lucid dream. Like I can get to the point where I can only faintly feel my bed and stuff, but my mind doesn’t seem any more active, and I can hear most of the stuff that goes on around me pretty easily. Oh, and also, I don’t seem to have like…a dream body, just my own body which I can’t move around for fear of breaking the sleep paralysis. So I just sit there, for like an hour, trying to get the scenarios I run through my mind to actually show up in my head. aside from a few DILD’s I haven’t much experience with lucid dreaming, but I’ve been working on getting a WILD for a really long time now, because it seems like it involves the most interesting sensations/has the highest success rate if you practice. Anyone have a solution for my problem? I know I’m really close

How can I be sure that when I move my arms it’s going to be a dream body and not my real one, because many a time I’ve thought that maybe I finally had a dream body and accidentally pulled myself out of SP

SP is when your body goes numb and you cant move so that you dont act out your dreams etc, the things that you see in this stage are called HI sights and sounds that are created by your mind not by anything else around you.

One of the problems that most people find with wild is that they focus on their bodies too much, like they get to the SP and get the vibrations and all that but cant go any further.

The trick there is to stop thinking about your body and focus on the pictures in your head the things you “feel” with your dream body etc etc, focos only on these and keep reminding your self it is not real and eventually you will fall into a dream fully lucid, well thats the idea anyway.

Wild is eaiser if you have already been alseep, most of the time from there you dont need to flow through all the stages of sleep to get back to rem like you do at the start of the night, so next time try setting your alarm for like…i dont know 3 or something and try it then.

So if you cant seem to feel or "see " and thing in your mind that is like a dream, ie you think its all just a haze, just focos on it more, just like day dreaming. Try to see an apple…what does it feel like in your dream hands, what does it seem like what does it look like, how does it taste?

from there what else is in the room, where are you how does it feel etc etc. keep building up the world around you and sooner or later you will fall into that dream. hopefully anyway.

hope it helps

The big key to WILD is the balance between sleeping body, and awake mind. You have to find the correct balance for you. It sounds like you are too aware of your body, as TimeLess said.
I would suggest that you try to move the balance a little more toward sleeping body. As TimeLess said, you could do this by paying more attention to the pictures in your head. That could work. You could also try to project yourself into the pictures, that works for some people. For me, I have to have a short blackout. What I mean is that for a very short time, everything is black, and then I am in a lucid dream. I just keep moving in the direction of sleep until that happens. On the other hand I do not experience SP. Some people can “role out” of their bodies when they are in SP. ( I don’t know how to do that because I have never done it, and as I said, I have never had SP while still awake enough to notice it.)

As for SP and HI and how they relate to sleep, dreaming and LD’s:
SP stops your body from moving during dreams. If it is working 100%, it only happens when you are dreaming. For lots of people it doesn’t work 100%. That means that they ether have it before dreaming, or after dreaming. If you are going directly from awake to dreaming, then you can have SP while you are awake. If you wake up from dreaming, you could still have SP.
There are also a very few people who do not have SP. You don’t want to sleep in the same bed with them. :content: They do everything that they dream that they are doing. ( Note: this is not sleep walking. )
HI is not related to SP directly. They both have to do with sleep, but not directly with each other. HI happens when your brain is in transition from awake to dream sleep. When it is awake, it is paying attention to what is going on around you. When it is in dream asleep, it is making up a world for your dreams. When you are going directly from awake to dream sleep, then the input from the real world and dream world can get mixed up. Then you may think that you see something that isn’t there, or hear something that isn’t there. This is much more common then SP. Just about everyone gets HI sometimes.

For many people, actively experiencing SP or HI can be used to enter an LD. Not for everybody. It depends on you, and how you go to sleep, and how good you can maintain the balance between asleep and awake, and how you get across the border between awake and asleep.

Hope this is helpful, and good luck with your WILD’ing.
don

don, you and me, we gotta sit down and have a goooddd looonggg chat about all this stuff i like what you know :smile:

Funny, I was about to check if that type of questions were already answered. I wanted to ask them myself lol. I had read here and there that playing with the HI got us more easely into dreams… But I had always thought we had to have a passive role in it.

Timeless ~ when you mention the apple, do we have to create an image of it or did you just mean to work with the preexisting HI?

Those were seriously informative replies! Thank you.

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well working with the existing HI you can actually change it into an apple anyway, but yes i was refering to creating it in your mind. Its just like focusing on a thought and it should appear.