Galantamine + Choline= lucid dreams

I’m a board certified doctor of pharmacy and I would love to share some information on galantamine with this forum. First of all, it is a prescription that is written for patients with alzheimer’s disease. This brings me to it’s properties as a memory booster: it is known as an acetylcholinesterase inhibitor, meaning that it blocks the enzyme in the brain responsible for breaking down acetylcholine into it’s components: acetate and choline. This results in extremely high levels of acetylcholine in the neuronal synapses and is believed to boost memory. When coupled with a choline supplement this effect is more pronounced. However, this Rx rarely works for alzheimer’s sufferers and merely slows the progression of their disease. In terms of lucid dreaming, nightmares and intense “realistic” dreams are some of the side effects that I counsel my patient’s families to watch out for when giving this drug to their loved ones. This not a placebo effect and has very real cognitive and biochemical effects. I do not endorse taking this recreationally for the purpose of lucid dreaming and I would strive to achieve a lucid state naturally, but that does not mean that galantamine coupled with choline is inherently harmful. You know your bodies better than anyone else so you all should be cognizant of any effects or changes that may occur.

I think some supplements can be help you start your journey towards Ld because, if you have almost 0 recall, some kind of boost can help you remember your dreams and write then down later, in the purpose of traingin your brain to remember the dreams more often. It’s like a supplement when you go to the gyn. Only the pills don’t help, but the pills + exercise helps more than only the exercise.

Thanks for the input, docod44. It’s great to see the point of view of a professional. I’ve never taken any of these suplements (besides some vitamin B6, but for other reasons…), but I don’t think these drugs are the best way to reach lucidity. Anyway, it’s something that should be carefully researched before taking.

I am flummoxed by all these people who reject galantamine and choline as unnatural. They are like people who would elect to walk to Chicago from New York rather than drive there in a car because “walking is more natural”.I can only say that galantamine and choline are very effective and if they are not natural, then nature should take a lesson.

I think I’d agree that achieving lucidity through the tried and tested methods-dream diary, reality testing etc is the best way in terms of an understanding of the lucid dreaming process and the great feeling of achievement when you start to make progress. However, once there, Galantamine and Choline offer the experienced dreamer a way to progress rapidly since becoming lucid is no longer a random, unexpected event. Knowing you are likely to be lucid on a particular night allows a more structured approach to what you are going to do. In my experience, this allow the dreamer to better master the environment he is investigating. As far as I know, there are no problems taking these supplements in the doses suggested.

I found this on wikipedia:

Some people who practice lucid dream (LD) or out-of-body experience (OBE) use galantamine to increase their odds to achieve LD or OBE.[12][13][14] By taking small amount of galantamine (around 4 to 8 mg) after five to six hours of deep sleep and practice an induction technique such as meditation, MILD or WILD [1] many people report more success with galantamine.[15]

There are also reports claiming that taking galantamine without proper induction technique will not lead to LD or OBE but will result in only a vivid dream instead. It should also be noted that, due to a long half-life, galantamine will stay in the body for a period of up to and over 48 hours. As such, it is advisable to space out the use of galantamine over a period of three days so that the body does not build a resistance to the drug, ruining its effectiveness

I have used Galantamine (8mg) plus choline in the form of about 500mG of Alpha GPC. This does indeed work. As the last posted put, Galantamine should only be used about every 3rd day because of the speed at which it builds resistance in the body.

I am about to undertake a new experiment involving Galantamine and Nicotine patches, based on the study here https://dreamslucid.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/substances_that_facilitate_lucid_dreaming_-_a_case_study.pdf
Page 13 is the really important part (for me) as it shows the results they got and which substance combinations were used.

I will report back with results.

Yes these supplements really work…

Bad for you. I had gotten 100LD in 4 months just using WILD and SSILD and some other methods. You don’t need medical.You can achieve LD just by practicing more.

Pumpkin, you are really lucky. Some of us have talents for other things. I’m not a good natural lucid dreamer no matter what I try. I tried for 10 years before I discovered Galentamine. For me it’s opened the gates to lucid Dreaming. Not only that though, I now experience a whole spectrum of altered states. But good for you if you don’t need help.

I am trying this on the weekend, ordered both Galantamine and Choline to take as well as 5-HTP to take before hand to balance out my sleep cycles. I will report back with a detailed report on if it worked for me and how vivid the dream/LD was.

Have been taking Gal and Cho for past 1 year and found my dreams remarkably vivid. Although it did not make me lucid all times. Of late, i have found that, after taking gal and cho, i prevent myself from falling asleep due to anxiety and exciteness. How to address this issue?

I really didn’t knew that taking supplements can make you lucid but isn’t taking this stuff harmful ? and what exactly is galantamine and choline ? never mind here is what I found on wikipedia-
Some people who practice lucid dream (LD) or out-of-body experience (OBE) use galantamine to increase their odds to achieve LD or OBE. By taking small amount of galantamine (around 4 to 8 mg) after five to six hours of deep sleep and practice an induction technique such as meditation, MILD or WILD many people report more success with galantamine.

There are also reports claiming that taking galantamine without proper induction technique will not lead to LD or OBE but will result in only a vivid dream instead. It should also be noted that, due to a long half-life, galantamine will stay in the body for a period of up to and over 48 hours. As such, it is advisable to space out the use of galantamine over a period of three days so that the body does not build a resistance to the drug, ruining its effectiveness.

Galantamine used with choline bitartrate or Alpha-GPC can dramatically increase one’s odds of becoming lucid and increase memory consolidation during dreaming.Some people report mixing galantamine with other nootropic can enhance the degree of lucidity, but this is still controversial, since some mixtures may work for some people, but lead to failure for others

Hey thanks for ur reply, I stopped taking Galantamine and choline few months back. Of late i find myself becoming dizzy often. I feel somewhat unstable and have pain in my head. my vision is foggy. Though i did not taken choline and galantamine recently, i suspect whether it could have altered my brain chemistry that made me dizzy? Is taking galantamine and choline safe? Any harmful side effects?

Galantamine is taken in higher doses for help altimers patients. Though everyone is different it is possible that it may have caused it, but I doubt it. Anyways I took 8mg of Galantamine, 500mg of Choline and 600mg of alpha GPC and got a very long (two hours) lucid dream. Was kind of hard to fall asleep, ended up with a successful wild though.

Hey does anybody know how long it takes to get these pills from dreamamins?

AFAIK you can take 200mg of L-theanine to help you sleep when you pop the G&C pills.

After waaay to much research and reading other peoples experiences I’m considering giving these a go. It would be nice to know what I’m aiming for, and hopefully my LDs would be less sporadic…

To be honest I always thought this was an anti-sup forum since no one seem to talk about them much, maybe it’s just full of ‘naturals’! ^^;

I get the impression most people tend to think in the lines of “natural techniques”, but I wouldn’t say it’s an anti-sup forum :tongue:

I’ve considered trying some, but I’m not really that motivated. More of a “one day who knows” thing. If you do, though, I’m sure you’ll let us know how it went!

Whoops, that’s what I ment to say! :tongue: