Hargart's Induction Technique Log (HILD)

Quest for Lucidity
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I am aware that the topic has been discussed throughoutly, and I’m sorry to say that I don’t have time to read it through, but here is my two cents.

First of, I’d like to thank you for this great technique. Even though I’ve only tried it this night, I’ve succeeded and tasted the great fruits of lucidity. And this is how it went:

I had alarm ring at 10am this morning to WBTB (with no intention to try this technique out), however, I awoke somewhere around 9am because of the heat in my room. I thought I had overslept greatly, but was pleasantly surprised when I saw what time it was. As I headed back to the land of counting sheep I remembered this tech, and began to move my fingers. Failure, I had not fallen asleep. Instead I chose to sleep normally, awakening when the alarm rung next I snoozed and tried for a total of three or four times to get lucid with this technique. The last attempt succeeded, and after moving my fingers for a short while I found myself looking at my minds precognition of the new LD4ALL layout (which I’m not going to describe here). I had no body and could not turn around, but after a while I thought “yes I have a body” and so I arose from a bed in which I had not fallen asleep. The dream continued from here as a normal lucid dream.

Futher I’d like to contribute with a small analysation of this techniqe, which you may or may not find boring as hell.

Simply put, HILD is a techniqe that almost works the same way as the WILD counting tech. It consists of one thing, an element that the mind can keep it’s concentration on while falling asleep. The only difference is what this element is.
The counting techique is a purely mental task, which is easy to drift away from as thoughts have a tendency to wander whenever you are not watching them.
This is the main problem with all these WILD techs, you lose concentration and consciousness and fall asleep normally. The other cause of failure is overdoing the action that is supposed to keep you concentrated, in turn waking you up or not letting you fall asleep (eventually giving up and going to sleep normally).
So let’s look at the HILD tech, instead of counting you move your fingers. This is a physical exercise rather than a mental one. What makes a physical exercise different from a mental one? Two things. One, it is a lot easier for it to wake you up if you concentrate on it to much. And two, it is very different when it comes to automatition. When you automate counting, your mind will drift and you will fall asleep. To success with counting, you have to keep it in your immediate consciousness and not let your mind wander. Automatition of a physical movement (of which breathing and heartbeting is natural, and I’m able to automate rapid eye-blinking, aswell as stop it entirely) is a lot different. You’r consciousness is immediately informed if there is any change in the status of your movement. Because we drift off into a dream the movement stops even though we don’t notice it, however, this constant movement keeps our brain informed of itself and lets our mind wander. This is not without risk for falling asleep normally, but the chance of failure is still smaller than that of counting.
As Hargart stated in his excellent tutorial, the longer you are awake (and moving your fingers) the more minimal the chance of succeeding with this techniqe is. Thus it is adviceable to use it in short Wake Back To Sleep moments in the night or morning.

To conclude, counting is (to me atleast) a lot less effective in the sense of keeping consciousness, but you can keep doing it for a long time without waking yourself up to the point of no (or small chance of) return. While HILD lets me keep just the right level of consciousness but has a slight dissadvantage in it’s awakening nature.

This most assuredly differs from person to person, but I find the balance of HILD a lot better than WILD counting.

Again, thankyou for taking your time to post this techniqe.

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yea, I think I’ll give it a try if I wake up during the night (which I occasionally do).

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I read about HILD yesterday for the first time. It sounded like a great technique for me, given that I wake up many times in the morning (damn cat), and fall back asleep very quickly after those wakeups. Other WILD type techniques seem somewhat ineffective, because I fall asleep so quickly.

In any case, I tried HILD during the early morning hours this morning and had a short lucid dream (hopefully as a result of this practice).

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eMb… That’s a great post :smile:

I think is the best tech. to get HILD to work.

I havent been here in a while… I’m glad people have had success with this tech.

– Hargarts

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im so ashamed :neutral: i wake up after 3 hours im nacared then i do the tech for about 30 seconds i do the reality check and im not dreaming :grrr: then when im waiting the two mins to try the tech again i fall asleep lol thats what im supposed to do during the first tech. it annoys me how i cant fall asleep doing the tech then i cant remember anything that happens after i do the RC :help:

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I moved this Hargart’s technique related post into the good thread.

I’ve tryed the “moving two fingers” technique a couple of times, the second time I tryed I was very tired and my father awakened me at 3 hours of sleep, I started to move fingers and at 30 seconds I made the plug nose RC and was amazed that I was dreaming, but that was the only time it worked, try it.

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Gotta love this technique.

I dont have an alarm clock though O:

I’ve been trying it when i first go to sleep.

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i still cant seem to get this tech to work…tried it before…and ive recently tried it again. i wake up tired and relaxed, and i move my fingers while falling asleep. but then, out of nowhere, i realise i stopped moving my fingers, so i start up again. lol. i get too tired i guess, and stop moving my fingers. i’m surprised i didnt fall asleep completely.

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first of all awesome post hargarts,
sounds like a really interesting method, im excited about trying it out tonight! I havent had a whole lot of luck with LD’s lately hopefully this technique will change that.
Thanks for the tips and great post(s).
Keep it lucid.

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Kirby7wu, it’s a sort of dream reentry technique. I’m not sure it could work very well when first going to sleep! :confused:

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i liked the new induction idea and tried it last night. i was SO close to becoming lucid and it was only my first time trying. Thanks for the great idea!

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I’ve been trying this recently, but find that my issue is that I fall asleep so fast that I never seem to have a chance to do an RC. I think I’m going to try changing this up a bit and look at the numbers on my digital clock and see if they change as an RC.

I find the challenge with any kind of WILD technique is to slow down the falling asleep process so that I can take that bit of waking consciousness into the dream world.

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hmm… a question though, maybe it has already been posted but still:
After you have done the finger moving… do you immediately go into an LD (even before you do an RC) or does it first go into a regular dream, that only feels like it’s in real life…(which is why you are able to control the dream and do an RC even though it is not yet an LD)? Does that make sense?? As in, do you go from RL to LD and then do an RC for stronger lucidity, or is it RL > ND > RC > LD ? haha 4 abbrevs in a row :razz:

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Hello, hargarts!
I tried your technique last night, and it worked halfway… Here is what happened:
I went to bed at about 1:15am and set my mp3 player’s alarm (that plays a random song) for 4:00am. At about 3 minutes past 4, I woke up, feeling very tired. I remembered your technique and started moving my fingers for about 10-20 seconds. Now, as I remember, I didn’t think anything happened…but when I did the nose plug RC, I could breathe. That means it should have worked, but there was one problem. I didn’t realize that I was dreaming. At the time, I thought that breathing through my plugged nose was perfectly normal :happy: And so, it didnt get lucid… :grrr:

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Hi thegallery12!
Hargart didn’t visit the forum since 3 months. I suppose he won’t reply to you.
About your question:

Your experience confirms you first go into a regular dream. That’s the reason why you have to do a RC.

It happens sometimes that a RC doesn’t make you lucid (because you dream a good reason why it has suceeded). Hargart gave the advice to perform the nose RC because it’s generally efficient. If it isn’t for you, you should change and try another RC.

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Oh ok, thank you!
Hehe, I didn’t notice that hargarts’ hasn’t been here in such a long time… that’s why i was wondering… gee no one is replying :eh: But I like his technique! As I said, it almost worked :content:

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Grrr… I meant to do this last night, but forgot. Hopefully I’ll remember tonight. (it does sounds effective afterall) :grin:

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:sad: I tried this tech. many times but it never works 4 me !?

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StEvE,

I think the key is to find the right technique that will work for you. I think HILD works well for someone who wakes up frequently later in their sleep cycle, and falls asleep very quickly after waking up. Those are times when it’s most likely that one will fall asleep directly into REM sleep.

The thing about lucid dream induction techniques is that they only work for certain people. The tough thing is find the right technique that will work for you.

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Hi StEvE21!
It’s always interesting to test different methods, cause one of them could fit with you. But you should try the main methods (MILD, autosuggestion, RC’s, WILD) which have the best results with everybody. Hargart’s method got some results with some people, but it’s a sort of experimental method.