If the conscious mind is awake, and the body is sleeping, then you are having a lucid dream. If you then continue to lucid dream about leaving your body, and perhaps viewing things in the third person, then you are still having a lucid dream.
I didn’t want to have to resort to throwing links at each other, but the TRUE definition of “Out of Body Experience” is a spiritual thing, as described here:
When people experience this while asleep, you’re right in that they might be mistaking it for a simple high-level LD. However, religious people sometimes claim to be able to perform these OOBs from a completely conscious state, perhaps while sitting under a tree and meditating.
I am not religious person and still think obes and lds are way different.I judge by my 7-8 obes experiences and about same of lds.
They are not spirituall,they are not just higher level lds.I dont really know how to pinpoint the difference.But they feel way different.Its just another thing.
ohh…maybe i shouldnt have started this post cause i find it helpless to describe differences but reading your post it looks like u see obes and lds as separate because of spirituall touch.Thats not like this.
Ummmmmm…let me think about it,its late tonight.ill try to be more specific tomorrow.
Or maybe someone with bigger experience could confirm it or help me to find right words.
Quote:
"The classic example is this: you have to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night. You get out of bed, saunter to the toilet and do the work biology dictates. Three seconds later you still have to go to the bathroom. Repeat. Over and over. Sooner or later you realize you’ve been ‘dreaming’ about going to the bathroom rather than actually doing it. Then you ‘really’ go to the bathroom. But, shoot, even that was a dream.
That’s an OOBE. Any other one you have will feel exactly the same way (without having to pee).
A similar effect to OOBEs is that of lucid dreaming. In fact, lucid dreaming can be a precursor to a full-out OOBE. A lucid dream is one in which you know you are dreaming while you’re doing it, but don’t do much about it. Things still happen to you. You’re mostly reacting."
Here, someone is mistaking an OOBE for some combination of false awakenings and dream control.
Many people have odd ideas about how OOBE’s relate to lucid dreams. Here’s the many ways I’ve seen it defined, in order of popularity:
The literal sense, having an impression of being out of your body
The state where you have completely teased your brain into a waking state, but somehow you’ve managed to stay physiologically asleep. Since you’re no longer under any of the effects of sleep (ie poor memory and logic), except the hallucinogenic aspect, it feels different than plain lucid dreaming, where you’re the only qualification is tht you’re aware that you’re dreaming. Whether or not you have explicit knowledge that you’re out of your bod, this definition can hold. A WILD-like technique can be used to attain this state (outofbody.co.uk/obehowto/obehowto-3.shtml), or you can try to do it by various techniques from within a dream.
Any WILD
Any experience where you feel isolated from your mind, like you’re watching yourself do things from an outside and disassociated perspective, even if you don’t actually see your body from the outside
Some people even go so far as to say any dream is an OOBE - in a sense, when you’re in a dream you’re not in your physical body.
The OOBE is an extremely poorly-defined concept, and anyone who argues about it will likely exhaust themselves if they don’t make sure their definitions match.
(Wow, this forum is acting crappy. When I say “OOBE”, I don’t intend for there to be an “s” on the end, OK?)
I agree, in that the general definition of OOBEs has been stretched and torn so much that now it’s a person-to-person opinion-based concept.
The first option you wrote (literal definition) is the right one. The term “Out of Body Experience” was more frequently used to describe a state in which you can see your sleeping body, and believe that you are seeing things that are happening in the same room where you are alseep, just from a different perspective.
To be truthful, I believe that anything that happens to you while you are sleeping should only be described as a dream, or a lucid dream. If you can see things clearly, indulge each of your senses and walk around the landscape like you do each day while awake, then you have achieved a high-level of lucidity.
I’m not sure I agree with that quoted bathroom example. That, my friend, is a dream as standard as they come. If you need to attend the bathroom while you are asleep, then this will most certainly influence your dreams.
It’s normal to mistake dreams for RL while you are dreaming them.
Fwongo:Why bring out such a debatable subject leading nowhere…
it’s like me trying to express my views on THU (see sig), but actually debating that I’m correct and dreams are in fact as real as waking life [although I only find that an interesting theory, which is part of something that goes well beyond something as simple]
I can’t see how people got the term OBE confused, although you are right it seems.
OBEs in a scientific view is some form of conscience ‘spirit, aura, astral body, some form of awareness,…etc’ that has physically left the body. The only problem with this is science only sees this as an observation made by people, mainly common in NDEs, so people can refer to OBEs anytime they feel something like that happened, whether it really did or it was in their heads all along!
LD are dreams! They happen within your head (given your belief on the subject) so if you dream about an OBE, it was a dream about an OBE.
Am I the only one with the mental picture of a dog chasing its tail?
Hello all. This is my first post in about a year and just wanted to say hi again Anyway i thought your post was interesting. I have been LD’ing for a while now and way-back-when, we had a debate about this. Perception = reality. Reality is such a loose yet distinct term. I believe there are many times when reality can be felt, one of which is when you LD. Although you are not bound by the rules of waking reality, the simple fact is, you have a consciouss understading of yourself and your environment; therefore, it is your reality. Ok its late, time to go to bed
Our truest life is when we are in dreams awake. --Thoreau
Anyway i thought your post was interesting. I have been LD’ing for a while now and way-back-when, we had a debate about this. Perception = reality. Reality is such a loose yet distinct term. I believe there are many times when reality can be felt, one of which is when you LD. Although you are not bound by the rules of waking reality, the simple fact is, you have a consciouss understading of yourself and your environment; therefore, it is your reality. Ok its late, time to go to bed 