Lucid Thoughts

Beyond Dreaming
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Two or three days ago I had this LD where I definitely wasn’t in REM sleep. For a few seconds, my dream sight and the real sight got mixed together, it was weird.

But now I’m thinking, do you think it is possible to become lucid, not only in dreams, while sleeping, but also in some sort of “solid thoughts” while being awake ?

When I say lucid I don’t only mean " knowing that the surroundings is not reality" but also reality-like feelings ( touch, smell, etc… ).

I don’t know much about meditation and stuff, but is this what tibetan monks or other people ( perhaps some people on this forum ) who meditates try to achieve ? If so, i say it’s brilliant. :cool_laugh:

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Did you write this dream in your DJ? If so, could you put a link towards it? If you didn’t could you give some more explanation cause I’ve some difficulties to understand how you could dream eyes open.

I think it would be more interesting to discuss about a thing once it’s clear for everybody. :content:

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I didn’t write it in my DJ, ( it’s been a while I haven’t write anything in it actually ). Though I tell about it on the “Onirolabe”. :wink:

OK, here’s what happened.

I don’t have to get up early in the morning so, basically, every morning, my alarm clock wakes me, I turn it off, 5 minutes later it awakes me again, etc… It can last for hours.

Everytime I fall asleep for like 5 minutes, and dream.

This particular time I got back to sleep, and dreamt almost immediatly. I was going up the stairs of my mum’s appartment. Not lucid. Then I noticed the stairs were a lot bigger than IRL, and so was the frontdoor, that triggered lucidity.

I opened the door, with what I felt like a nice lucidity level. I tried to close it behind me but I had to do it several times, cause this damn door wouldn’t stay closed. I walked around the apprtment, and then I felt like waking. I could still feel my footsteps as it ifeels IRL but I could see my room through the dream sight. It got more and more fuzzy, and then I lost “sensations” in the dream, I could only see it as a blurry scene superposed with the sight of my room. I closed my eyes to reeneter it properly, it worked for a few seconds, I could feel myself in the dream again, but then my eyes opened again, and I finally lost it completely.

The thing is, the dream never really disapeared, neither did lucidity, though it didn’t felt like a dream, but more like a “solid thought”. ( can’t figure out a better way to describe it :neutral: )

This isn’t the only thing that makes me wonder about the "lucid thoughts "possibility. I often have very realistic HH, where I clearly have false memories in it and RL-like feelings.

And as Flo once said that there is no major difference betwen thought and dreams, I wonder if, with enough concentration, one could simply become lucid ( as describe in the first post ) in simple thoughts, without even falling asleep…

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I’ve just been a beginner in meditation so I’m not able to answer to your question. Yet I remember that Flo said that some tibetan monks could visualize things so well that it didn’t make any difference with reality.

Another thing. There are some memory troubles that are called hypermnesia. In such illnesses, it seems that memories are not attenuated, so that people can find themselves sometimes into their memories like they were into real life.

That’s why Claude Rifat called HI “disattenuated thoughts”, cause during the hypnagogic state, thoughts are no more attenuated and they look more like real.

I’m unsure this gives you some indications about a possible answer to your question. I hope some people could add useful comments to this.

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Idk but sometimes IRL I get a feeling of unrealness but it scares me not something I would want to replicate. Is that lucid

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Julien I agree with Basilus. It’s hard to say exactly what it is your experiencing. It does seem rather intense. I look as it as almost an accidental meditative state of visualization. Yet b/c you are aware of lucidity you automatically and instinctively put it into motion.

I don’t know if I’d be able to say that you could be lucid while awake though, that’s a tough one.

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i think i do understand what you are getting at but taking this definition and applying it to your situation doesnt rally make sense: you know that you are dreaming when you are not actually dreaming.

on the other hand i think one can be lucid IRL, in the sense that you have a more vivid experience of reality, transcending to a better understanding thereof and yourself.

so IMO: no, quite the opposite.