@Cabinfever: it’s not that it will help hold focus so much as it will help you fall asleep and go into REM faster so you don’t have to focus anywhere near as long. You still have to keep your mind together, however.
@008: I actually go right back to sleep since if I stay up too long, I have trouble falling asleep again. At least take the time to write in your DJ. If you find it isn’t working for you (you just fall asleep without even having a chance at WILD), keep increasing the time in 5 minute increments.
Though WILD yet never worked for me (but was close, I think), I’d guess WBTB would help if the timing is good.
In my opinion, doing WILD when going to bed (at usual time) is a bad idea for two reasons:
You need a REM phase to dream. You dont get a REM phase naturally if you begin to sleep at usual times. But after some hours of sleep the chance for getting quickly to REM is pretty high.
Even if you’d be able to enforce REM-Sleep by some technique, I’d doubt it was healthy doing this frequently, as “correct” sleep strongly correlates to general health.
Doing WILD when going to bed sounds to me like trying to jump into a train when there aren’t even rails. The basics about sleep cycle can be found on wikipedia.
ok i did wbtb, woke up at five, did two and a half pages of automatic writing, a great deal of it was about becoming lucid, i did this for a half hour. then i went back to bed, and i couldnt WILD, my mind had gotten too active i think. SO, i should maybe write for only 10 min next time, or try what you do Rhewin and go right into the WILD? keeping my mind together is what i meant by focus actually, i know it sounds alittle off.
@DaConceit: i get it although doing this without wbtb is still progress i find, just getting to the point of SP prepares me much better for wbtb, no? theres a whole increment i am adjusted too before hand.
yep, the thing about WBTB is finding the right time for you. Just keep adjusting it until you find something that works best. If you are too awake, stay up a little less during WBTB, if you fall asleep too fast, stay up a little longer.
I have succeeded only 3 times in a WILD without WBTB, all I can say is:
1- It’s very nice to achieve, but;
2- You need much much much patience, it takes more than 2 hours to get into most vivid dream stage…
3- You can use a timer with low volume to remind you to keep focus.
It’s very hard, but worth trying!
The sensations felt during you are sleeping are impressive, some very good while others, I admit, some are not.
If you find that you’re too awake to try WILD immediately, try to relax in bed at first. To make sure you don’t accidentally drift off, check out this chart to help determine just how close you are to falling asleep.
thank you for the feedback. ill surely adjust my awake time next wbtb to about 10min. Ive seen that chart, yes, except as im doing WILD i shouldnt be thinking about it too much, so this will help more to understand after i attempt? oh i was quite relaxed already but my mind wasn’t feeling that way. i shut my eyes, body still, but thoughts kept invading the still. also i wouldn’t be drifting off too easy if im too awake lol… or do you mean without wbtb? because then thats a good idea…let the thoughts die down even before i close my eyes for good. i can’t wbtb tonight, but i will try WILD in combination with MILD every night regardless of difficulty.
The only problem I have with WILD is that I just can’t get to sleep, at all, when trying it. Then I get to a point that I can’t even fall asleep normally. Tried it for days thinking I’d get so tired that I would ultimately fall asleep. No go!
In the end I just turn into a wreck that hasn’t slept for weeks, and than finally find myself dozing off normally again. Tried it twice and twice the same result. Maybe when I don’t have to go to work for a few weeks I might try it again, but until then, .
Guess WILD might just not be for everyone.
There’s one other thing I’ve just thought I would like to amend on here. It seems a lot of the new dreamers out there feel that if they get WILD to work it will be their main technique and they will have hundreds of LD’s. Also gonna put this in with the first post.
WILD is the only technique you need to have LD’s every night
Here’s the thing, no technique is guaranteed to work 100% of the time. Why limit yourself to just one tool? Make an entire toolbox to have at your disposal depending on what your situation is. Even if you do get WILD working, you should also look in to other techniques like MILD, DEILD and VILD.
I’m going to use Wyvern as a quick example for my point here. I was talking to him in IRC the other day, and we were talking about WILD. For those of you who don’t know, he’s about 20 LD’s away from having 1000, so he’s pretty experienced when it comes to LD’s. By his estimate, only about 10-15% of his LD’s have actually come from WILD. Most of his others come from DILD because he has trained himself to be aware and recognize the dream state.
I’m currently at 103 LD’s (about 87 of those in the last year alone). Again, only up to 20% have actually come from WILD. The rest have been RCILD, MILD, DEILD, VILD, DILD and even one CALD. This is a pretty broad array of techniques, and while I am no master yet, I still manage to have a good number of LD’s.
WILD is great to know, but never overestimate the value of any technique.
Thanks for the link to those charts, helps me a lot. This whole topic is also very helpful. I know this might seem pretty obvious, but I wanted to know if opening your eyes really has much of an effect on WILD’s because I have heard of and seen people sleeping with their eyes open. I’ve tried it while in the earlier stages just to see what I would see …
Unless you normally sleep with your eyes open I wouldn’t try it. You’re more likely to accidentally wake yourself up. Now, if you think you might be in a dream, then go ahead and try, just make sure you do an RC with it to be certain. During WILD I usually do the nose RC with my eyes closed as a test.
I’m kinda confused what you mean by charts, though
This here.
Tggtt’s “(WILD Reference) The Trance Levels with Awareness” topic
I’ve been looking for something like this, glad there is one. With this I can gain more from my personal WILD attempts.
Hmm, I think this topic was written during a brief period of absence on the forums, so I missed. But as someone who’s successfully had a couple (though not many) WILD’s, I applaud this topic. I find it to be extremely helpful, because it boils WILD back down to the basic and dispels some of the “myths” that plague the technique.
Because aside from the first few that I had, all of my WILD’s have been very uneventful as far as HI or SP goes. I barely even notice the transition usually. The sleeping position thing used to keep me up for hours at night a few years ago. This should really be put in the Article Database or something, because it’s something most people who are into WILD should know.
I just keep stumbling over this: as I begin to fade into a dream, SP pops in and I immediatley get aware of it (while I’m a bit in “daydreaming-mode”) and this excitement feeling comes up too the very second SP pops up and I snap out of all of this. Now what I described here happens in maximum 1 second. What’s there to be done ?
Secondly, what about breathing ?? A very big problem: when I’m getting pretty deep, I suddenly remember the breathing part. Then I take over the breathing and it doesn’t go “automatically” anymore, which makes me feel that it’s ruining all of it, because I either breathe too deep or either to slowly which makes me want more air and which causes a deep breath. Deep breaths are very good SP-getting-rid-of’s, so I really think it’s ruining most of the part…
When i am counting, "1, i am dreaming, 2 i am dreaming, etc. Would it work to count that kinda in an outloud voice but not really loud? Because i think that if i do, it will keep me focused and not falling asleep so easily, know what i mean?
Don Anonymus: So when you say you enter SP, you mean that your body is fully paralyzed, not just numb, right? Once your body is in SP, i.e. it has fallen asleep, it has been my experience that it is better to switch over to something like VILD. I already have the body out of the way, so I then actively try to make a dream. As for your excitement which breaks the SP, I don’t have much to say other than to try to ignore what your body feels like all together.
Rhett: Actually speaking will keep you awake. It’s the same reason we say not to move, you are trying to convince your body to fall asleep. I know I said moving can be ok, but I meant to adjust and get comfortable. Count in your mind, yell it even, but don’t actually count out loud.
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