What a childish way to think about things. “Willfully desiring to leave one’s body weakens the will.” I smell a contradiction in terms here.
People like that really tick me off. If it wasn’t okay with Jesus (which they cant even prove or confirm) its all satanic or something. I know you said to be kind, but geez! Makes me laugh thinking of what those guys are missing out on.
As I said in my sovereign reality post in the “Beyond Dreaming” forum (which no one comments on), I dicussed how religion is used as false answers, and how many people use religion as an ultimate rather than adapt it into their lifestyle to seek answers.
Also I think dreams are what the Bible and other holy books refer to as heaven, because there, time has no meaning and everything is possible, whereas hell is a nightmare.
And if we do dream forever after we die, tadaa!
That sure would be great for all us LDer’s out there.
I really have no idea what’s wrong.I just mentioned that he was a Christian because I thought that a lot of people would automatically ask me,“Is he religious?”
Oh well.I was thinking that he thought that LDing was only one step away from something really dangerous like Astral Projection as DreamAddict mentioned,but it could be that he just thought LDs as a way of escaping from life.Although I don’t really think that can happen.
I think it would help if he watched Waking Life.
He would not be completely wrong if he was pointing to the danger of using LDs as a way of escaping life: that is perfectly possible due to the nature of LDing (much more control and imagination power than in real life, blissful experiences are more rule than exception in LDs,…). LDing will not save you from waking up every morning in “boring” waking life so escaping can make life much more difficult than it is. But this is true for almost every “fun” activity (videogames, drugs, TV, chatting, visiting LD-forums,…) and IMO it is wiser to go to the roots of the problem (WHY do I want to escape, what in this real life makes me suffer so much that I don’t want to live it?) than to eliminate all fun and leisure. Because that is just another way of escaping.
Are you sure about Waking Life, did you see the end of the movie in which the guy is not able to wake up anymore? Horror! Quite funny BTW that many people (including me in a not so distant past) say that they would prefer to live in dreamworld all day and here in this movie is a guy that CANNOT wake up and still he’s dissatisfied!
Chosenone thank you for the effort of writing your insightful thoughts on this forum, I’m sure I’m not the only one who enjoyed reading it. I agree with a lot of what you said, but you said so much I would almost have to write an essay myself to comment on every part of it. Completely agree with the things you said about religion, religion should be seen as a helpful finger pointing to truth but we have to look and understand for ourselves if we want to find that truth. But you need a lot of guts, patience and doubt (faith alone will not do it) if you really try to understand for yourself and most people seem to be satisfied with the delusion that a book can give all the answers. We understand that we can never fully describe to someone else how it is to eat an apple when he has never eaten an apple himself but if someone says the ultimate truth is fully described in a book whe are happy to believe him so that we won’t have to understand for ourselves.