The BIG DreamMaker topic

That was me. Yes, it did work (for me anyways). I have not used it in some time but, when I go through drys spells I pull it out and it works great. It takes some time to play with it to get the timing right. But the hole set up cost me less than $50.00 so the extra time it took me was well worth it. If you wanted you could also hook up a tape player as well so you would also get audio cues.

As for all others who have had problems with wellness tools and this guy Bruce:

I think you should all ban together and file a class action lawsuit. That is what your friend is talking about. A lawyer probably won’t do it pro bono but on a contingency fee which means he will only get paid if he wins.

I know that used to have a link to Wellness Tools. If they still do I am going to write to Labarge and ask him to take down the link.

Thanks milod789 for the great inspiration you have given me with that idea of yours. I have just spent the entire evening changing my bedroom around around so that my computer monitor will be facing me when it turns into a strobe light during my expected rem cycles. I think this is the missing key I have been looking for. Thanks again. :smile:

Cool! Let me know how it works out for you. I am curious to see if this works for anyone else.

As far as I know LaBerge and the Lucidity Institute were working on developing the new Nova Dreamer with Bruce, but the deal fell through and Bruce went solo…I wonder why that happened :content:

As far as I knopw, Bruce just likes to lie a lot. I remember somehting about this on the lucidity institute forum, I think. IIRC TLI was considering a distribution deal with Bruce, and nothing more. Bruce exagerrates to make himself sound better.

This part I’m not sure of, but just recently in an email Bruce claimed he was workign with stephen on something for the future NOW, and I mailed TLI and they said they weren’t. Apparently Bruce met stephen, gave him a Dream Maker, and MIGHT be exchanging emails of some sort; and to him this means “I am in communication with Dr Stephen Laberge of Lucidity Institute and we will be doing something together shortly.”

The man takes wishful thinking to a whole new level, at least.

I’ve been “in communication” with him for a while though, and if he isn’t an outright “Bad Man Trying to Screw Me,” he is at the very LEAST a “Not Very Good Businessman.”

And if he doesn’t become at least a slightly better businessman very soon, he won’t have much of a business left.

I sent the lucidity institute an e mail as well. I will also talk to Dr. Labarge directly. I think with everyone contacting him about Bruce it is very unlikely that he will involve the lucidity institute with such a disgraceful business person.

With all the people who have posted here I think Bruce is far more than just a bad business person. I will tell you that I would never buy any of his products.

Wish I’d come to this thread before I did, that’s for sure… I won’t spare efforts making sure he doesn’t screw anyone again, that’s for sure… as of today, I’m done just asking him for my money back.

sushupti what steps do you plan to take now?

i don’t know how bruce can sleep at night. im sure he will get whats coming.

Well just out of curiosity I took a second and visited In their forum they also have people complaining about wellness tools.

Anyway, I hope you people who were defrauded by Bruce really go after him. I don’t know how he can sleep at night either.

On another note- The rem-dreamer might be ok. It seems that they do have a problem with shipping, so expect a long delay if you order one. In the forums I have read no one has posted how well it worked so I guess we will have to wait to see.

BTW- Someone at had the same idea as mine about the strobe light. I hope it works for people.

The people who make the VibraLite3, Global Assistive something, have an alarm clock with bed vibrator, and strobe light options… they make these things for deaf people, but no reason we shouldn’t have fun with them, too :smile:

As for how I’ll go after bruce; nothing special, just the regular legal stuff… I filed a complaint with paypal, I’ll see how that works out. If it doesn’t, I sue him. And if I sue him, for the money, lawyer fees, and try to shut him down so he can’t continue screwing people over like that… This will probably involve rounding up others he screwed over for a class action.

Sushupti any news?



(I apologize for this post, I wrote it before I got to the part about people losing alot of money…

I’m going to leave it here as it kind of describes what this guy is doing to people.

That was one of the most shameful pieces of behavior I have ever witnessed from a business owner. He practically turned into a child right infront of us. Very scary.) … 1116452388

You’re talking about Robert Bruce ? The famous astral projector ?

What does he have done to have such a bad reputation ?

I dont know a lot about famous people related to dream.

No people are talking about Bruce Gelerter of Wellnes Tools.

What has he done to get a bad reputation? Well, read the thread and draw your own conclusions.

Does this technology make the traditional WILD and MILD techniques obsolete or are they to be used toghether?

No, the Nova Dreamer (and nova dreamer clones) would not make MILD or WILD obsolete.

While some of these types of devices might help you if you are new or an experienced lucid dreamer recovering from a dry spell, lots of people seem to report that the devises are not effective in the long term. After a while your brain gets used to the external stimuli and stops sending the cues into your dreams. So to continue having lucid dreams on a regular basis you would still have to learn a self induction technique. Moreover, these are not virtual reality machines that automatically give you lucid dreams. You still have to train yourself to recognize the clues the device sends you.

So stop the machine and start with a clean and simple way. You will have better result at the end then with so many wasting technique.

Sounds very interesting I’ll read the whole topic later first I go and sleep.I changed my Day and Night Rythim and since I done that I dream a lot more maybe it can help you if you don’t have work or a job that doesn’t allow that.

greetings Down Ander

Direct links towards vendors are not permitted according to the forum rules. Link towards Dreammaker suppressed. Then I merged this post about Dreammaker device into the existing BIG Dreammaker topic.

I saw here a movie about electric devices did some one evry try this?
Did some one read about this, hear about this, have any more information?