On the stroke of midnight of December 2010, the world exploded. Duh, isn’t that what happens when we throw away our calendar and put up a new one?
Yeah, and on January 12 2010, I will successfully lick my own elbow(impossible?)
Go back one year in time AND lick your elbow sounds rather unlikely indeed.
Good point! If for you it is impossible to lick your own elbows you’re never going to be flexible enough to fit in a time machine. They make them so narrow these days, I don’t like them nearly as much as those nice spacy ones we used to have.
Anyway on topic yeah people tend to think/hope that numbers or cycles made up by man mean something, and it is as if they hope the whole thing blows up.
Was the same thing with the millenium. Do they really think that the end of the world is connected to Jesus’ birth? Btw turns out they calculated that wrong and they are 7 years of with that. And why januar 1st? It’s just a date we made up because we had to have something. Is the cosmic universe going to care about what we call it? Think not.
Not untill I start hearing dolphins sing; “So long and thanks for all the fish” that’s when I start to worry, even though I couldn’t actually do something about it.
Is this a disbelief thread? 
well i would think this thread is more of a post your opinion kinda thread. (even though i think most people don’t believe in it) i personally don’t believe that it will end on 2012 but i think our world has to end sometime sooner or later. hopefully later than sooner but whatever. 
I’m just saying that we shouldn’t have a disbelief-centered thread, but discussion about 2012 itself, instead of whether or not it will happen.
Like, why will the world end on December 21st, 2012?
What will cause it?
And ask them with an open mind.
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Personally I don’t think the end of the world will come on that day. Chuck Norris may die of old age or something like that. 
Did you even read my link? It’s not going to end. There is no reason for it to end on the specified date for any absurd reason.
The Earth has the same chance of ending tomorrow, or today, as it does on the 2012 Winter Solstice.
There is no need for discussion.
So what’s the fun in that? Can’t we have a nice chat because you’re saying you’ve got the answer? Oh and if you don’t want to discuss it why do you post then?
No I’m with Mew on this one, this is a really nice topic. Personally I am truly amused by the idea, and I’ll be posting my personal views shortly, don’t have time now…
The end of the Mayan calender marks the end/start of a galactic year. Our solar system has circled the center of our galaxy. The end of the Mayan calender means it’s time to start a new year. Whether or not something actually does happen at this point, who knows.
Although I do like the idea of this being a thread of ‘debate’, not if something will or will not happen, but perhaps discuss some ideas and beliefs? I really do find these things intriguing.
My only problem with this link is the website does exactly what you’re against. It treats people like morons and severely pushes them towards believing what they have to say. I would respect the site a lot more if it, without any bias or opinion, stated the facts that debunk the supposed theories.
Aside from that, I personally believe that nobody has the right to claim what’ll happen on that day. There are a lot of good arguments for both sides, and a lot of ridiculous ones, which that above website seemed to heavily focus on. I’m not sure I believe the story of the girl killing herself. I feel like there is something more to that story.
Some people do not believe that the world will end, but rather that it will endure a period of enlightenment, perhaps related to whatever physical circumstances that are in place that day. Even so, when that day does come and if something does happen, how can we possibly say that it was destined? ■■■■ happens, you know?
All reasoning aside, a part of me is interested in seeing at least something happen. For all we know, the aliens who influenced the Mayan’s, marked that day for their return to Earth. 
Well first of all I think it is clear that those mayans were pretty clever folks, way more intelligent and civilized that they are given credit for, just like the people who built for example Stonehenge or Newgrange. They predicted a celestial event, I’m not sure how precise, did they get the day right or just the timeperiod? Anyway a celestial event that is so rare, takes so much time and is not all that easy to observe, they did an amazing job, which causes me to believe that these guys knew what they were talking about, and weren’t just some supersticious idiots.
No, I think it might be us folk of the western world who got it wrong; maybe we did not understand what these people were actually saying. There could, from the knowledge I have which is - I admit - not a lot, be a couple of explanations. Amongst others;
- Maybe they did not mean the end of the world, but the end of the world as we know it, simply indicating a large change; in people, religion, leaders etc.
- Even though it is not expected that the entire world will be destroyed, it could still be that their world will be destroyed: When they made the predictions they did not yet know of other people so might have thought the entire world was just their area. And we can still not predict earthquackes, tsunamis and volcano eruptions so who knows? I don’t think this one is likely though, since they were spread over such a large area.
- This is the one I like the best, even though I have not looked in Maya culture to see if it could be correct yet. Some cultures believe that history moves in circles: over a long, long time (thousands, if not tens of thousands of years) the entire world history repeats itself over and over again. If, and again I haven’t checked, the Maya’s believed in this the end of the world would simply be the end of this history cycle, and the start of a new one. I do happen to know that their year calender is a circle, so why not their history book? That would also be a nice link with the end and beginning of a galactical year.
You might have noticed that I have been talking about the Maya’s in a past form. I know the Maya’s are still around and still have quite large numbers and a strong culture with their own traditions. But these predictions were made by the Classic Maya civilization, which was significantly different from the modern Maya culture, and therefore I think it is better to see them as seperate.
OK. Sure, Mayans predicted some pretty amazing things. That is the belief anyway. The problem is this: There are no predictions of the world ending. The only evidence of such a thing is the Mayan calender. If they were going to bother making this calender last to this point, they would have left something more than a few drifting theories. The end of the calendar may mean something, but so do our own calendars, and how they work.
If the Mayans were able to predict events, and map out the stars, I’m pretty sure they knew they weren’t the only ones in the world 
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We also can predict natural disasters, but these predictions are not always reliable, and the time frame for doing such is pretty minimal.
… Why? Sitting in a high tree or on one of the beautiful pyramids they made you can see every star in the sky (a lot more that in an urban area btw), but you can’t see across the Atlantic (or the Pacific for that matter).
Btw they did know of some civilizations as they had trade relationships with some, but only as far as the Carribean. Still it’s all about the principle of the thing right?
Well yes some predictions can be made for example by foreshocks or symply ground activity but you can’t really say more than; in the near future there will probably be an event a la volcano or earthquake but scientist still can’t exactly say when that real shock will happen, and sometimes nothing comes at all.
And in this case I was talking about 2012. We can’t possibly say anything about natural disasters in that timeframe yet, not by far. And if you then compare that to other predictions; the actual time the sun crosses the centre of the galaxy can be predicted to the exact second, which makes the earthquake predictions seem rather random.
Still this was a wild guess… so what do you think will happen?
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It does blatantly state facts, and even admits to the predictions that have some truth to them. Though I think in reality it’s all hype, not necessarily a ‘fraud to getchor monies’.
The fearful reaction of people of all ages to this hype is really unfortunate, and the fact that some children as young as grade school are suffering from extreme anxiety, fear, and depression from this is very real. If you don’t believe me, do some research. Children are incredibly vulnerable to influences such as the media. One little thing can trigger a fear that will haunt them and shape their behavior for years. And I’m not just talking 2012 hype, it could be anything. I’ve seen it, and I’ve experienced it… so don’t write off some young woman’s death like that.
Actually, I think all these silly New Age beliefs give them much more credit than they’re due. There were many other ancient societies that made the same celestial measurements before their time and more accurately. See: Babylonians, Greeks, etc.
In fact, the Mayan’s didn’t even come up with the calendar…
What are you even talking about? Specify?
You know… they didn’t even predict anything? Oh, and they were superstitious, regardless of that fact.
Again, they didn’t predict anything. Ancient knowledge is so romanticized, I mean, they must have known something we didn’t, right? Some old arcane secrets… I mean, this plot is used in movies and advertisement today.
Really? Don’t you think they would have more insight than people outside of their own culture? Granted, people who have studied their culture probably know quite a bit about them, but I imagine you aren’t one of those people.
Fact: This Mayan’s did not predict ANYTHING.
There’s so much more I could add to this, but I encourage you to do your own research.
Conclusion: 
You are of course right and I am wrong. As I said in my last post I do not know much about the Maya’s and I wrote it still with the idea that the Maya’s expected the world to end at the end of the 13th b’ak’tun; december 12, 2012.
Just to clarify; the celestial event I was talking about was the sun crossing the center of our galaxy. I still don’t believe it is coincidence that this falls on the same day the start of the 14th b’ak’tun. That is how high a regard I have for the Maya’s, as you don’t have, but that’s just personal opinion I guess.
But what intrigues me the most is why you are so keen on stopping talk about this? Are you not fascinated by the human reaction to events like this? That is the fun in using popular culture as sources; it is often way more influential than scientific results and tells us an incredible lot about the people, which I think are a lot more interesting that the facts.
But your wording and use of, let us say a popular culture cartoon, just tells me that you are actually getting annoyed to the bone, if not angry at people who make asumptions about this without doing research. Is that passion for those children (which for me is another argument for my theory that we humans struggle viciously against our own evolution) or is it some sort of personal trauma? What is it that causes you to interrupt when people are discussing without knowledge?
And yes I truly want an answer to that because, as you might have guessed, I am fascinated by human behaviour.
I was merely demonstrating that their opening page is a bit too aggressive and holds similar tactics used by conspiracy theorists, such as Loose Change. The fact that they wave around “scam” and shove a girl’s death in your face all in the first couple of paragraphs makes it hard for me to take them seriously, regardless of their validity on the “debunking facts”. When they say things like “You’re not going to fall for something like that… right?”, it’s condescending and I don’t appreciate a website–especially one supposedly revealing the truth–being so arrogant.
I understand impressions on children, but there is a line. This girl was sixteen years old, and it would make a lot more sense if she had been, at the same time, suffering from depression or some other disorder to make her so unstable.
That’s not necessarily true. Just to name a few:
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The Mayans successfully predicted the existence of a black hole at the center of our galaxy, which they called HUNAB KU. They named it their central sun and creator of all. Science in recent years has proved its existence.
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A prediction of a total solar eclipse in 1999 came true right on schedule.
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A prediction of cosmic rays, supposedly erupting from HUNAB KU, came true in 1992 on schedule. It’s said that this energy would influence the sun, creating sun spots and aggressive solar flares, which are a very real danger to Earth and its magnetic fields (if infiltrated, all circuits on Earth and its orbiting satellites would be fried and we would quite literally be in the stone age, without any electricity).
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Their entire philosophy is the Earth’s connection with HUNAB KU. As we get closer and more aligned with the Milky Way’s equator, or “The Tree of Life” as they called it, we are more exposed to opposing magnetic forces that are responsible for the solar flares and magnetic pole shifts. Moving farther away, or “The Galactic Night”, we are less exposed and thus less vibrant (dark ages). As we stand today, we are in transition from Night to Day (i.e., getting closer).
There is a lot more to the Mayan’s than just saying we’re all going to die (in fact, they don’t say that, but rather that the world will change as we know it). They were entirely correct to assume that the exposed magnetic forces alter not only our planet and sun, but also human emotion and connectivity. Believe it or not, human emotion is tied to natural cycles such as weather and solar radiation. It’s not the article I read in the past, but it has some of the information that I read: https://www.innerself.com/Astrology/full_moon.htm. It demonstrates, among many other things, that events such as wars, migrations, crusades, uprisings, and revolutions, occurred at peak sunspot periods. During these times, people get a little more excited and will act differently than they would at a low period.
Don’t underestimate natural forces that we do not yet fully comprehend. Society today is a lot different than it was back when the Mayans constructed the calendar. Perhaps we are more close minded now and too focused on our individual lives to consider bigger things. Either way, we are all just chemical reactions, reacting to the forces that surround us. It’s up to you if you want to call it free will.
Side note, anybody read about the 5,000 birds that abruptly died and fell from the sky over Arkansas? CNN story: https://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/03/arkansas.falling.birds/
Yeah there’s a topic on that somewhere… the lounge I think it might be… It’s - quite appropriately - called ‘Birds Falling’
I work for the government and I want so silence you.
Not serious.
Most people react with fear, fear makes them irrational, if you are irrational, you are less likely to consider facts. I admire knowledgeable people much more than people who run with the herd in blind fear.
I am annoyed by ignorance. The image was for the lulz, I’m not seriously angry with you.
I like to give people another point of view to consider. And yes, I also do care about people whose lives are mangled by needless fear.
I agree, I read the opening page last and found it was a bit of a turn off. Regardless, all their facts are sourced. Impressive.
Sources? I wish to read more of this ‘hunab ku’, because I highly doubt it’s interpretation is authentic. Also explain ‘The Galactic Night’.
Do not underestimate my beliefs. I am well aware of the limits of science.
And I’m not sure how I feel about that link. Is there one that gives more information about those studies?