A new Technique VWILD

Quest for Lucidity
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Rarebreed, that sounds absolutely awesome, I really think this will work better than the vibrating watch I bought. I think its a great idea to keep it simple. The less buttons and modes will just make it cheaper and easier. I think the led is a good idea, just to let you know what mode your in by flashing a certain number of times, to represent time interval set.

Dont forget that its important that after the vibration goes off and then ends, that the device resets itself automatically to go off again in the next time interval. So if for example the interval is set for 40 mins. And the vibration is set for 5 sec. Then once the device is started, it will vibrate for 5 sec every 40 mins, without having to press a button. It will just carry on doing this until you press a button to stop it.

I think you need a start / stop button. and once stopped, this will reset the device. So when you switch it back on, the time intervals will need to be reset.

What do you think?

The other important factor is that it need to be small. Remember it need to be worn through out the day, so that you get into the habit of performing a reality check every time the alarm goes off, so that your dream self does it automatically when it vibrates in the night. So it must not be cumbersome. It needs to be small, so it can be worn at all times and still be comfortable.

I became lucid twice last night, but because the alarm vibrates for 20 seconds actually woke me up. I was only lucid for about 15 seconds.

Make sure that there is no beeping alarm during the vibration, sorry if I’m stating the obvious to you, but we dont want sound, just vibration.

Thanks for giving this idea a shot though, I just really dont have the expertise or knowledge to build this, but I really do think with a shorter vibration time, its quite possible that this device will guarantee LD for anyone.

Ooooohh how exciting is this!!

Iv had this idea in me for over two years. To know that its so close to coming into being is very exciting.

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Thanks for the input and enthusiasm! A few comments and questions and then I gotta get back to hw, lol. 1. idk about the LED, just another(albeit very cheap) thing to implement. I have the code made so it will vibrate the motor to tell you what mode you are in and such, but if you like the LED idea it would be very easy to implement so that depending on the mode you are in the LED is a diff color( I have 2 open outputs on the chip still left over). 2. Of course it needs to reset, lol, I have it setup to do so already 3. Dont worry about size, the chip and motor are very tiny and the chip should be able to be run off of a button cell 4. Instead of a stop/start button I was going to set it up so there was a very light switch that made it so that the chip was only running/had power when the watch was on and it the switch was pressed against your wrist(this would also save power and allow people to easily disable it for tests just by taking it off). 5. Do you really think the time intervals should be reset every time it is turned off? what if the user finds and interval they like and then forget it? Right now I have it so your values are permanently saved in eeprom on board the chip so it is remembered even when no power is applied(still can be changed whenever you want though, of course). 6. do you think 5sec is a short enough alert? I wasnt sure how short and long to make the pauses possible for.

Thanks, Im really enjoying working on this!..though we will have to wait till after christmas for me to have all the parts to begin making a prototype

EDIT: I actually really liked the idea of an LED indicator, so I went ahead and implemented it in the code and schematics Ive got. So now, along with the motor vibrating shortly to say u have entered a mode, the LEDs work as follows: LED1 is lit when in the change alertwait mode and LED2 is lit when in alertlength mode; no LED is lit during the normal alert cycle/not in a mode. This can turn out espescially cool if you use bicolor LEDs, I have some tricolor LEDs laying around and Ill probably just use 2 of their colors for this

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Enthusiastic, I’m jumping through hoops at the moment.
I love your idea about the on/off switch.
Yes, i think you’re right, you dont need it to reset the time intervals when off and an led light that changes colour to represent which mode it is in…genius idea.
I think you need only a few different settings for the vibration length, to swap between. It would be awful if 5 sec was still too long for some people and wake them up.
Perhaps you should have the ability to swap between 2, 5 and 7 second. So it can be adjusted to how deep the sleeper. Light, medium or heavy.

Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.

I’m not sure that i mentioned it but… BRILLIANT!

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Lol, thanks, in case you havent noticed I kinda had some plans for a similar watch before, but now you are really motivating me to do it, lol. Ok, well, if you think it only needs to be that short…hm, Im personally thinking I should change the alerttime to intervals of 1sec…Im also thinking instead of settings of 12 I should do 13, just as a kinda salute to the mayan calendar since that seems to be a big thing on here.
Right now Im thinking: alerttime: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13 seconds and alertpause: 10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90,100,110,120,130 minutes. Hm, maybe it is a bit long(having 13 intervals), but Id like it to be as customizable as possible, and once the user finds the right combination for them they shouldnt be messing around with the settings anymore anyways.

Hm, light sleeper, eh? I might be able to stick something in there(probably electronic hardware wise, software wise would be more difficult to do), but I might be able to make it possible to adjust how hard the vibration is… I know a simple way to do it but Im not sure of the quality of it… I think Ill stick with this normal way first and then see if I can make the vibration adjustable.

and, lol, glad you are thrilled, this is quite a fun project for me, I just now scavenged up some parts for it from old projects and stuff ( Ive got a battery case, watch straps from an old watch, and red&black buttons) I hope I get the chips and vibrating motor for christmas…otherwise Ill buy them myself(they are cheap anyways), btw do you have aim or email or something we can converse more quickly/directly? Im not sure whether others want us to be filling up this thread with our own little endeavor. any opinions?

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I have given this a good skim and I have to say that I am interested. I want to keep it simple and just buy the vibraLITE 3 sometime in January when I have enough money. $50 for a watch isn’t that bad (looked on amazon).

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I have given this a good skim and I have to say that I am interested. I want to keep it simple and just buy the vibraLITE 3 sometime in January when I have enough money. $50 for a watch isn’t that bad (looked on amazon).

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Yes, kt4all, you are definitely right that $50 isnt bad for a watch, and if you want to keep it simple that would be the way to go, so good luck with it if you decide to buy one :content: Im still gonna continue to pursue this project though, for those who want something more customizable (and/or want to make things a lil harder on themselves), I also of course hope to make it cheaper…not including labor. Oh, and just a little update on the idea of a homemade one, Ive actually decided against a on/off switch activated by just wearing it because it would be hard to implement perfectly so that the button didnt stop being pressed when you moved around and you didnt accidentally press it when it is off in your pocket or backpack or w/e. so I think Ill just use a normal on/off switch.

It is definitely true though that if you want something quick, easy, and not too badly priced the vibralite3 would be the best way to go.

edit: kt4all, or a mod, is there anyway to get rid of the multiple posts?

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The vibralite is a nice way to have a go, but as I keep saying, I a still experimenting with it. I am quite a deep sleeper and so may work for me better than others. the vibration is quite strong and goes on for 20 sec, which is a long time. If you are a light sleeper, you may become lucid, but the the vibration would eventually wake you up. If the vibration only goes for around 5 sec, then there is a much less chance of you being woken and a higher chance of you becomming lucid.

Im just warning you kT of the down sides of the vibralite, as i wouldn’t want it too not work for you, because of the long vibration, and waste your money.
What rarebreed is going to do is design a much better device similar to the vibralite, but which is specifically aimed toward LD, instead of the partial hearing.

If you read through the post, you will see that yes, I have been successful using this tech, but I on occation it has also woken me up, just as I become lucid.

Just want to make sure that everyone knows the facts. I am hoping that, as I’m sur rarebreed is also, that this new device which is being designed, will work much better than the vibralite, and may guarantee LD for everyone.

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Rarebreed, I have sent you a PM, so check your PM inbox. I think that maybe this is the best way we should communicate concerning the designing of the VIBILD device, so that we don’t fill this thread with babble.

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So do you guys plan on copyrighting this ‘LD Watch’? What are your plans after creating this device? Obviously I don’t think you can sell things that aren’t copyrighted by yourself, maybe you can. I am thinking at the moment that rarebreed is going to keep it for himself for the most part, possibly sharing the idea of how to make it on a tutorial. I doubt you guys will get into selling it, but I might be wrong. :slight_smile:

As for the VibraLite, I plan on attaching it to my shin area of my leg. During the day and night, so hopefully it will only impact my leg area and not my arm + chest area. Legs are of course down on their own, not near any other body parts, hopefully not waking me up.

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If this project gets put into production, I would most likely buy one, pending cost.

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hm, I wonder why I didnt get an email about replies to this topicshrugs. Anyways, I personally dont have any plans on mass-producing it, copyrighting it, or even really selling it. Im just a 17yr old kid goofing around with a cool idea. BUT, you are correct in saying that I plan on making a How-to for it so that others can build one of their own. So far it has come along quite well considering I have spent $0 so far, lol, (YAY for salvaging old parts!). I do have a site already put up of some progress photos, some code, and schematics, etc. I guess Ill put it up on here, Im not really sure if Im allowed to; if not then mods just let me know or just go ahead and remove it and Ill PM the link to anyone who wants it. LINK

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Just wanted to say that I am intrigued!

<-- potential customer

Good luck with it.

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Well, development of the prototype is complete; time for the testing to begin. Ill also of course get to work putting up some accurate schematics/code and hopefully a how-to. The device seems to work but I still need to do some tests to determine battery life and timing accuracy. Unfortunately it does seem to be a little loud to me :frowning: BUT since you can adjust the alert length down to as little as 1sec, it is unlikely anyone would really notice/get u in trouble in school (esp if you put it on your ankle…maybe inside a sock?)

Ill try to put up more stuff if anyone is interested, maybe record a small video showing the device going through its modes. Please let me know if you are/arent interested, because if no one is interested in these little updates I dont want to keep bumping this topic with them.

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Definately interested. Keep updating, and let us know when you get a more accurate schematics up. Sounds like a really good idea.

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pleas keep updating
although i don t know how i will build it
maybe i will get a frend of mine to build it for me if it
dosent take to much time and effort
(but i will definately get that watch)
and if it is hard to build i will try to make a program for my mobile phone…
that shoulden t be very hard(i have a softwear for programing my mobile phone
i dont know much about it but i think i can make something)
i will make it so that i can set the duration of the alarm
and when the alarm should go on (periodicaly).
it wont make noise(when on vibration) during the day when i am in school
and when i go to sleep i will attach it somehow to my arm :happy:
and regulate the strenght of the vibration with a thin sponge
(i dont know the english term for that sponge if it even exists…
because my mother tongue is croatian)
i dont know how to programe or build anything :happy: but now i am strongly motivated
maby i even learn something because i know someone who could
learn me how to build it and programe my mobile phone.
i will be happy if i make this with the mobile phone in a few months or if it works
because it seems to me very stupid…but it vibrates so it should be good

or i should go in the sex shop by a vibrator with a timer or build one in it…
to bad i am not a woman (even if i look as one)on the bright side
i just invented a lucid sex machine :happy:…
nimfos that like lucidnes will worship me all over the world
the only bad side in it is that it is not very practical i mean getting aroused every 40minutes
i am very interested in this method because im to lazy to do any other

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Yes, this device is deffinately for the lazy. its one of the many reasons I came up with the idea. I have been away for Chrimbo and have just got back, so i’m a little out of the loop. But I will be PM 'ing rarebreed soon. nice to see it coming along nicely though.

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I was searching for a vibraLite 3, and came across the vibraLite 8. I’m pretty sure that this one has a 5 second alarm instead of a 20 second alarm. I ordered one and it should be here on Monday. I’ll post to let you guys know what the alarm count is on it. I’m really eager to try this technique.

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So, good news, I just got the VibraLITE 8 and it DOES have only a 5 second alarm on the Timer. And it restarts… so it should be what you are looking for, except it’s $70. I’m excited to try it out now.

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Wow, that is fantastic.

Ive never found the vibrlite 8. It sounds like it will work a treat.

I have stopped using the vibralite 3 for now, as it continued waking me up. I have been waiting for rarebreeds talents in developing a device.
He has been successful, but more testing is needed, he informs me, it is also a little chunky.
The only problem, is that making one for ourselves. Even with rarebreeds guidance, especially software programming, it will be very difficult for most of us. (including me)

Please keep us all up to date with your testing with the vibrlite 8. I’m hoping for great results.

You know, you may well have found the answer to guaranteed LDing. I know i keep saying this, but the technique just makes so much sense, and so much easier than any other.

It will require very little effort and (hopefully) have great results.