A new Technique VWILD


If you read any of my previous posts, you will see that I havn’t been particularly successful in the realm of LD. But, I have spent the last 14 or so years, reading, reserching and experimenting. After a lot of painstaking nights and moments of giving up and then, going back, I have finally had a LD. Hoorah for me! In fact I’ve had 3 LD in the past 2 weeks. And I’ve accomplished it by developing my own system. I’m thinking that if this system works for me, then it must be good.

I’ve called it VILD. I’m still experimenting with this system, so I’m not sure of it’s success rate. But so far, its looking good. I’ve also developed a different way of logging my dreams instead of using a Dream Journal, which for me personally, have found it better. So, here I’m giving you my new developed system. Please try it out, and let me know how it works for you.

I’ll start with what I call the Dream Jotter, or just Jotter. Now, I’m not particularly a regular to this site, so I apolagise if anybody else has already had a similar idea. Now, I’ve always found that the Dream Journal requires way too much detail. Mainly to enable you to study it, so that you can spot your own personal dream signs. Well, by using my method of VILD, you don’t need to spot dream signs. So, really, a journal isn’t needed. The other function the journal helps you with, is dream recall. Now, this is of course is the most important rule of LD. This is the only reason for the Jotter. For dream recall.

Now, its the same principle. But there are rules on how to use the Jotter. First of all, keep it by your bed with a pen. The first rule, keep it BASIC and only use key words. Do not write descriptive sentences. You dont need to write your dream as if it were a novel.

The second rule, use Abbreviations (Abbs)

With these two rules, you will make jotting your dreams down much faster. Preventing you from waking up too much after waking from every dream. In the morning, just take 5 minutes reading through your Jotter for that night and you will see that the dreams come flooding back. Use a clean page for each dream and don’t worry about writing them up in best. It’s just not needed.

Ok, a note on Abbs. What do I mean? It means using abbreviations to represent words that would take too long to write down. So that its faster and prevents you from waking up too much. It would be good for you to learn them or at least the basics, and maybe you can come up with your own. Don’t worry too much about using abbs all the time, dont try and rewrite the whole dictionary in abbs form. I just want you to get the idea.

dif - Different
bt - Between
pl - People
l - Lots / Loads / Many
t - The
thr - There / Their

    • And
      o - Of / Off / Zero
      2 - To / Too / Two
      4 - For / Four

To denote colours, use the beginning letter, plus a dot.

r. - Red
b. - Black
yg. - Yellow and Green

Sometimes emotions can play a big part in dreams. So to jot these, use the beginning letter, as with the colours, but add a afterwards.

h- - Happy
s- Sad

You can also use more complex abbs

l ungrd - London Underground.

You also need to keep in mind of the three areas. They will help you to reform the dream in your mind when rereading your jottings in the morning.

Location - Characters - Events

I think the three areas are fairly obvious and self explanatory. Just don’t go into too much detail (remember rule 1) Only note that, which stands out and which you feel is important.


Basic key words, no sentences.
Location, characters, events

It may take a little practice using this method, but it was extreamley beneficial to me. I didn’t have to spend time writing all my dreams up every morning. And most of the time, when I was writing my dreams down in the middle of the night, i couldn’t get back to sleep. I was getting very, very tired. So I developed these rules and abbs to jot down my dreams. Trust me, you don’t need the journal. Make your jots, and in the morning, when you read through them, you will remember your dream and in only a short time, your dream recall will improve.
I can jot down a dream which last roughly 15 - 20 mins in about 20 words. Just try to keep sentences to a minimum and use key words, and stick to the three area. Location - characters - events.

Ok, now the exciting bit. VILD.

Vibrating Induced Lucid Dreaming

The concept is easy really. I actually bought a nova dreamer years ago, which is a goggle based item. The problem is, I found that there were just too many variables to train my mind to look out for, because its visual. Where as the sense of touch really, only has one variable. Touch. Quite simple really. You will need to buy a watch that has a vibrating alarm. Now, there is a specific one you need. Its called a vibraLITE 3. It has to be that one, for a reason. Its designed for deaf people, hence a vibrating alarm.

You need to set the watch so that the vibrating alarm goes off every 42 minutes. I have found that with this timing, you have a better chance of it going off during your REM cycles. Now, the clever thing about this particular watch, is that after the alarm goes off, it resets itself, and then goes off again 42 minutes later, and then another 42 minutes later after that. Actually, it will do that forever until you tell it to stop.
Now, this needs to be worn all through out the day. Every time it goes off, do a reality check. I do the close your mouth and try to breath through it, one. Do this every time the vibrating alarm goes off. When you do a check, make sure that you really ask yourself, ‘Is this a dream’.
The idea, is of course, that it becomes such a habit, that in your dream, when you feel the vibration of the watch go off, you do a reality check and realise you’re dreaming.
Hoorah! Thats basically it. VILD. Try it out, and let me know your results. As I say, I’m still experimenting with this technique too. Please let me know, if anyone tries out the jotter as well, as I say, i found it better than the journal approach.

I am working on a way to improve dream recall and vividness. It’s with the use of magnetic therapy. I’m not 100 % sure if it will work but so far my research suggests that it will. I have yet to build the devices, but I need to find some plastic sewing needles to make them. Metal ones are no good, as I’m working with magnets and they’re too strong to use conventional needles. Once I’ve done it, and if it works. I will post the info here and tell you all how to make them.

Happy dreaming folks.

VILD sounds pretty legit to me… how much do one of those watches cost???

Well, I had to do a bit of searching on the web for exactly what i wanted. Many of the vibrating watches I found. Had the alarm, but only turned off, when you pressed the stop button. And then you would have to reset the alarm for it to go off again.
Two things why that was no good.
The vibrating alarm would go on forever until you pressed stop. So, I could LD, but the alarm would still be going, and probably wake me up. So, it had to find one that would go off after a certain time. And also, it needed to reset itself, so that i didnt have to do it.

In my search, I only found one. The vibraLITE 3. You can set the alarm intervals. So I like to set for 42 mins. But you can set for 2 hours if you like or 5 mins. The alarm goes off for 20 seconds (which is too long really, but I cant find any better) After the 20 seconds, the alarm stops and resets itself. It will then go off in another 42 mins, or whatever interval you set it for.

Everyone is different, and as I said, I’m still experimenting with it myself. But it has been very successful so far.

It has also, however, sometimes woken me up. Thats why It would be nice if the alarm only went off for 5 seconds. That’s the only downside of it. If you are a light sleeper, it may not be best for you.

I cant remember the name of the website, just search for vibralite watches for the deaf, or something like that. My one cost me around £25 Which is roughly $40 ish. You need to get the 3 one though. Thats the only one which you can set an unlimited alarm interval. You can choose various colours though and straps.

I would have to let you know that there is already a technique called VILD. You probably already know but its called Visually Incubated Lucid Dream.

That does sound extremely interesting Jayster, Glad to hear you finally found something that works for you! :ok:

The vibrating version does sound better, but I wonder if you could mod your tech to work with sound? I have a watch that beeps every hour and I might be able to use that as a sign, (although I don’t think sound would be as easy to detect as touch.)

And KT4all is right, the acronym “VILD” is already taken… we’ll have to try and pick another for your tech. :content:

Hm, this is interesting to me because I have had the idea to do this for a while, a day or two ago I actually made my own vibrating alarm using a 555timer, but it goes off every 3-5min which is way too short. Ill have to look into those watches…how loud are they when they vibrate?

Pretty good tech, i think i’ll try it out tonight since i have nothing to do :smile:

There should be a forum for all these techniques

No, I didn’t realise that VILD was already taken. Thats a shame. Any suggestions for a new acronym are more than welcome.

In reply to the beeping alarm. Yes, I think sound will work. Have you ever been dreaming when your mum comes to wake you up in the morning for school and it actually manifests in your dream. The only problem however, is that again, just like with the Nova Dreamer, there are too many variables. Which is exactly what my system avoids. Also, if you sleep with a partner, it may wake them up, whereas with a vibrating watch on your arm. (hopefully) only you should feel it.
Also, it would be more difficult to pick up on a sounding alarm when wearing it every day, as you have other noises to contend with. The idea of the vibration is that you will feel it no matter what is going on around you. You could even be in a football stadium. When it goes off, you will know and can do a reality check. You will not hear a beeper in that situation.

In my previous experiences with the watch, There has only been one variable. In the 3 dreams I have become lucid in, I have always just felt a vibration on my arm and then automatically, done a reality check.

The vibration is quite strong, and has also woken my partner once as it vibrates through the mattress a little. So yeah, pretty strong, and it goes for 20 seconds which is a pain as it has also woken me before. So if you are a light sleeper, it will probably wake you.

It would be fab,if you can somehow alter it so the alarm only goes off for 5 sec. But I think it would be the software side on the chip, which I wouldn’t be able to alter.

Just had a private message for a new actonym, VWILD

Vibrating Watch Induced Lucid Dream

What does everyone think, I’d love some more suggestions.

jayster… keep us posted on your continued research with VWILD. see if it keeps producing the results… if so i might invest in a virbaLITE3

VWILD sounds pretty good. The W in WILD stands for waked …fyi

Hearing of the 20 second alarm ring was a real disappointment to me, but the whole idea sounds very useful. I’m probably going to buy one anyways, but like Rarebreed asked, how loud does it vibrate? I think if it’s too loud, I wouldn’t be abled to use it in class or else it would “disrupt” the learning environment.

ps! Jayster, you should be part of our researcher and experimenters team here on the forum!

Researcher and development team. That sounds good. Can anyone just take part?

I think the vibration alarm would be a little noticeable in a quiet enviroment. But I dont find it too loud. I have had one person i work with ask ‘What’s that noise?’ I dont embarrass though, so it didnt bother me and i told them all about LD. They were quite interested too.

You could always try to tie a piece of elastic onto the strap and then put the watch on around your ankle. That way the sound of vibration will be further away from ear shot. Even though not that far, it may make a slight difference. Because as I say, its not too, too loud in the first place.

The only way you can be sure is to buy one. Sorry I cant be of anymore help than that. Remember that it is designed for a deaf person. So it needs to be fierce enough for them to notice it as there only source of an alarm.

Yes, it’s incredibly dissapointing that it vibrates for 20 seconds. I have looked into getting a device built that is designed just for LD. It wouldn’t need a time on it like a watch. It could just be a vibrating device that can be set to go off at timed intervals, for 5 seconds and then resets itself. And that you could choose between say 5 different time intervals. However, to get it made and patented would cost me around £20,000. And because LD is more of a specialist subject, I felt that I wouldnt be able to make the money back.
Just look at the Nova dreamer and similar devices (although, they dont work as well as my idea).

If anyone out there happens to be a millionaire and would be interested in risking some money on such a device. Feel free to get in touch.

20, 000??? Is that how much it is for a patent? Even using a programmable microchip and even throwing in a custom made watch it wouldnt cost more than $20 tops for the device, probably more like 10… how many LDs have u had using your tech again? Maybe I should make a watch specifically for LDs and post a schematic/ How to.

Considering that I have about 300 some left for the holidays, I am going to order the vibralite 3 off Amazon. Hopefully it will be here for Christmas. I will be testing this as well, I keep forgetting when to do my RC’s, so I need a quiet reminder every 40 odd minutes. :content: Consider me a tester I guess, I will get back to you Jay when I recieve it.

Thanks for sharing by the way! :slight_smile:

I’v only had 3 LD using this device in the last 2 weeks. But I have been exceptionaly tired the last few days because of home life and work, and only getting about 5 hours sleep each night (which probably doesn’t help). Hopefully, things will quiet down a bit after Chrimbo.

Well, I made a new contact through a friend of a friend type thing, who actually programs the chips in devices such as watches and mobile phones. I came up with vibration idea about 6 months ago, but couldnt find anything to that would do the job.
As soon as I met this guy, I explained to him what I was after and he explained that to have a PCB designed and made would cost between £5000 and £7000. I cant remember the exact price for the patent but he told me that if you wanted it worldwide it was going to be around the £10000 mark and then you have to pay a yearly fee to keep the patent on your device. Something like £5000 per year.

As, i say I dont know him too well, and perhaps he’s a bit of a cowboy and doesnt know his stuff as well as he likes to think he does.

Im more of an ideas man than a builder, so I wouldnt have a clue on how to make such a device. But because everybody is unique and different, the time invervals need to be able to be set differently. I originally said 42 minutes, because thats what works best for me. But someone else may find that 55 minutes is best for them. If you go by stephen laberge’s notes concerning at what point in our sleep cycle we have REM periods and there longevity, you will find that 42 minutes, should hit more REM periods than by using any other time interval. However, Not everyone is the same, therefore I recommend that if you think you can make such a device, be sure that the interval time can be altered. It is also imperative that it vibrates for roughly 5 sec and the RESETS itself. You are not going to want to wake up from your LD to reset the alarm.

Part of my £20,000 budget also accounted for publicity and the production of 100 of the devices for more testing.

Although, there are many members to this forum and it feels that there are thousands of people out there who practice LD. Im sure that is true. We are a minority, a big one yes, but still a minority. I have lots of friends and family, and have striked up conversations of LD. Not, one persons I have talked to about it has ever heard of it. There would have to be one hell of a publicity campagne to make people more aware of LD and what it can do. Before you come anywhere near to making your money back from making and patenting the device.
Unless you were to put a hefty price tag onto it, which I would be greatly against. Because this would alienate those who have never heard of it. You could publicise yourself to death, but if you were to put a price of even £50, those who have never heard of LD or sceptics wouldn’t go near it. So straight away you’ve lost money and risk making your money back.
However, of course if you make it affordable, you still run the risk of not selling enough and not making your money back.

I was going to get it made and try to sell it to the masses, of course i would had to have done more testing, but upon much deliberation and researching into how other businesses work, I decided that the risk was too high. I just don’t think that the masses are quite ready yet for the formidable world of Lucid Dreaming.

So I decided to give and share this idea freely to those that will benefit (hopefull greatly) and that is of course you lot.

If anyone hear does manage to make such a device and use it too great affect, it would be fantastic if you could share it with us. My hope is that such a vibrating device would increase the possibility of LD in every one of us.

I promise I will keep up to date with my postings on this, and I after the holidays, concentrate more on my LD and my tech. I’m very hopeful that i will have great success with it.

ok, I see where you are coming from. It would be a lot of money to mass-produce it and wow, I didn’t know patents were so much. I think Ill try this christmas break to develop a workable design for such a watch and will be sure to post a how-to, on an individual scale it shouldnt be too hard to do/be cheap. Ill see what happens

I think we have the opportunity to invent something here!

I have decided to change the name of this tech to

VIBILD - Vibrate Induced Lucid Dream

I realise the acronym is longer than most, but it seems to fit the tech pretty well.

ok, well, Ive begun designing the LD-specific watch. Im hoping to get some picaxe-08M chips for Christmas. I went ahead and wrote a little program using their editor and ran some simulations. Right now it will have two buttons (one to change between modes and the other to select times) and of course a vibrating motor attached to the chip, I might add an LED for signaling purposes but I think itd be cool to keep it down to just the motor. Right now you can change the wait between signals through 12 steps of an extra 10minutes each step, so between 10min and 2hrs. You can also change how long the signal will be on for through 12 steps of 5sec each (5sec to 1min). Let me know what you guys think/ if any of the timings and functions should be different.