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I know what an OBE is by definition, but someone please explain what this is like, and give a better explanation than the rollover definition?
I never had one or wish to but it is when you are consious and you claim to get out of your body it can be for a few seconds and just see your room and seeing yourself sleeping there.It is really like an LD but it depens how you want to look at it.
A dream were you see yourself sleeping in your bed.
It seems to me that the rollover definition is rather good.
As you know, OBE means Out of Body Experience. So it means that some people believe that something (their consciousness, their soul,their “astral body”, etc.) is actually out of their physical body. Thus they can get real information, see real things from this new point of view.
This opinion comes from two ideas:
- there are some rare LD’ing experiences in which the dreamer got true information.
- in LD’s, you have the feeling that you are in another body than the physical body and sometimes you have the feeling that you’re in the real environment.
Now the second point doesn’t prove anything cause you can have LD’s in which you’re in your bedroom, but it’s not really your bedroom. Moreover, the main part of the OBE’ists and astralists accounts are obviously LD’s.
That’s the reason why some people don’t believe in OBE’s. They say there are just LD’s. Some OBE’ists have also a similar point of view. They say that most of the dreams in which you’re in your chamber and have the feeling of going out of your physical body are LD’s, but that there exist some rare experiences that are closer to NDE’s. So they say there are pseudo-OBE’s that are LD’s and true-OBE’s that are closer to the NDE phenomenon.
I chatted with a good LD’er/OBE’ist and I asked him to give me some explanation about the difference between an OBE and a LD. The only difference he could tell me was, in OBE’s his state of mind was very clear. Now this has also been described by WILD’ers. When you initiate lucidity from the waking state, your lucidity is often higher than in a DILD. So I don’t feel it’s a good argument.
And of course, there are also people who claim that every dream in which you have the feeling to go out of your body or you are in your bedroom is an OBE or an AP. If they were true, then I have made many OBE’s and AP’s. Curiously, I didn’t find any difference with a LD. 