[color=darkblue]Hello @ all!
I want to start LDing. (I tried it once but i failed and gave up…)
I checked this forum out and heard very often the sentence: “It’s a dream, everything is possible!” So i wondered : Can i also be in a cartoon or something else?
Well, I don’t know, let me check if that falls under the category of “anything”… yep, I’d say so.
Woow… i’m surprised… now i’m much more motivated to learn LDing
Well, practically, you can’t do anything - If you wish to be picky, you can only do what you can think of. Cartoons still fall into that category, though.
There are, in fact, some limitations to LD:ing. The obvious one is the waking state.
But a few others are as results of our limited sensor input. For example, our vision centra cannot portray images at arbitrary resolutions. For example, imagine an elephant. “Zoom” in on the elephant’s toe. There you see an ant. Now zoom back again until you can see the whole elephant. Can you still see the ant’s antennas?
But these limitations are trivial to what lucid dreaming can bring you, so go right ahead and practice it.
Bombax - That depends solely on whether you can imagine that or not. If you make a search on the fora, you will notice some people have been able to be a colour in a dream; Surely, such an act is beyond our senses. Still, it isn’t beyond our imagination - and so isn’t beyond our dreams.
Of course, this is just the way I see it…
There is much we can imagine, but unfortunately there are some scientific limitations. For instance, we cannot, in any situation, experience hearing sounds in the extreme frequences (say 30,000 hertz), so neither can we in dreams. Our brain cannot experience images with a greater resolution than our vision centra is capable of emulating, so neither can we in dreams.
These limitations are not really important in terms of lucid dreaming. I can’t think of any lucid dreaming situation in which they would restrain the dreamer from carrying out a task.
And have you or somebody else proven these limitations? It could very well be the case that you are the one that is limited in the sense that you cannot possibly know or understand what our true capabilities are. We as a species cannot even come close to understanding fully what our brains can or cannot do. Sure we can take stabs at what we theorize, but that doesn’t make it fact.
What you and I can say is that there are people who are born blind that claim to have dreams where they can see colors and imagery. Granted, these dreams probably do not look like anything that you or I have seen, but it’s still something that the person hasn’t experienced in their every day waking lives. Whether or not the person is telling the truth is obviously another limitation, but at least it forces us to question what we’ve previously speculated about our minds.
There’s the imagination experiment above. I read this in an article in a science magazine sometime, I cannot remember its name now.
But as I said, there are limitations but none of those limitations are important to normal lucid dreaming.
Right. This conversation is completely hypothetical, since those limitations are rather not important.
However, if you examine what you have said -
You are not contradicting anything. If someone can imagine a sound with such a high frequency, that someone can hear it in a lucid dream - regardless of whether this is the “real” way a 30kHz noise sound. If someone can imagine an image bigger than what we normally percieve - Than that someone can dream of it, regardless of whether that interpretation is true.
If you arrive at scientific limitation, you might mention the limitations of the brain, such as the amount of availible memory. However, this won’t be a problem as well - since you can’t imagine something you can’t keep in your memory. You will imagine a lesser version of it, which you can handle.
Imagination is the way to test the mind’s capabilities to dream - Since dreaming is just imagination gone wild. Very wild.
I like your points, TwilightDreamer. A lot, actually, heh.
Aye, plus the fact that we couldn’t hear a 30kHz noise in real life anyway, it’s not like someone could say “No, you can’t dream that, it sounds like THIS.”. We can’t say what it sounds like, so why not dream it? Back to original post: generally speaking, we can’t exist in more than one point, so if you did in a dream, no one could say “No, being in multiple places is like THIS.”.
So, dream away.
Ahh now i know why anyone has got 5000 posts ^^. You are talking off-topic xD.
But…go on xD.
Not quite off topic, Kandismon: Just ooking at your question from a broader perspective: What are the limits of dreaming?
A mod might wish to seperate it to another topic, though. Might as well just change this topic’s topic…