My lord, I ignore the post made by blucid because it was a copy paste of wikipédia, I read this page when I answered the question of the same person.
And you are against the evolution if you think that “they will always believe”, We are here chatting over the internet because some men didn’t want to believe in god or didn’t want to see god like the others and began to question the universe.
And as I said over and over, is that I like you and that’s why I want you to think right, I don’t want you to waste years of useless thinkings, but I am angry against the admins because they didn’t send me a message or nothing they just erased my messages.
“No one is saying or proving it is possible” Are you sure ?
blucid just said :"is and that SD is p-o-s-s-i-b-l-e " with some - to make you notice.
Not to be “meprisant” (i don’t know the english word) but in my life I already converted 2 peoples so I know that people can change in better. believes are illusions and don’t help human to progress, they just merely help them in supporting their life.
They did? Well, they could have just warned you not to post like that anymore, but then again, them erasing your messages could be taken as a warning anyway.
Is that last sentence about me? Because I share your opinion, as I had already said.
Brainwaves do exist and that’s how we monitor brain activity. However, these waves function only inside the human body, because they need neurons to be transported. Since neurons do not exist outside the human body, these brainwaves never leave our body and cannot work as a “wireless” signal, rendering it useles for telepathy and shared dreaming.
It’s theoretically possible for a brain to collect data if it’s wired to a computer, in practice, we have not yet such a technology. However, what I suppose your are talking about is the ability of a brain to collect data with a “wireless” method (a.k.a. telephacy). This, however is not implemented in the natural mechanism of our brain. Means it’s impossible, unless we invent a super-dream-machine-based-on-LAN-connection as seen in the movie “Inception”.
If a statement isn’t proven wrong, it does not mean it’s right. That the sort of thing that Christians use against Atheists without realising its absurdity. And that’s provided that the question is on the table. However, in the Shared dream case, the question is closed. SD is not possible.
Cheers to you as well!
And I am surprised why this thread wasn’t closed, especially since it has become a battlefield, rather than a calm discussion thread. Another reason to close it is the fact that both parties refuse to change their views on this matter. No point in discussing. I’m out of this.
Yeah I know, I don’t want to you to think that I hate you ^^.
I won’t say a thing about your question because you asked it for Paulius who knows much more than me about those things, and for my part I know nothing about brainwaves so yeah… I began to study about the magnetic fields etc…
It’s been a long time since I’ve a complety read 5-page topic on here, but this one sure was fun to read. I always liked the idea of shared dreams, read all topics about them, searched the web for any convincing proove and even experimented with it in LDs myself, but I have come to the same conclusion as Paulius and Dagto…it’s all extremely unlikely to say the least (although I secretly still wish to be proven wrong one day)
A number of posts have been removed from this topic for their disrespectful nature. Please, do not continue posting in such a manner.
A good article about brain waves can be found on Wikipedia. I will not cite it all here, so if you’re interested, you can read about it yourself. Neural oscillation (a.k.a. brain waves).
If shared dreaming is true, then it’s true. If shared dreaming is not true, then it’s not. Notice the if. That because it’s an assumption, a premis, a proposition. Proof, reality and existence themselves are all just conjectures. Even this idea itself is a conjecture. It’s the nature of “reality”.
It’s an interesting thought, but sadly hard to believe at this moment. As far as I know, our dreams are created by everything we have experienced, everything we have seen etc.
If you enter someone else’s dream, then it means you will be in a dream built upon what they have experienced in life. That makes me think about someone who has been blind from birth, he can’t see anything in his dream since he hasn’t experienced sight. But, if he was entering the dream of someone who can see, would he then be able to see their dream?
Maybe the blind person could see if he entered the dreams of another. assuming that he can do that and the blind dreamers brain functions that allow sight are still working.
You see how I said assuming. That’s means assuming he is telepathic and has proper brain function. Thats why I said it. That statement seems fine too me.
Besides like you believe, just because you don’t have evidence that something does not exist, does not mean that it does exist. Saying that it does not exist is the same as saying it does exist. Either has no absolute merit, with or with out science or any other institution.
When the science community rejects an Idea they do not mean to say that he idea is false. An idea is rejected when there is insufficient evidence to say something is true. When this happens, no conclusion is drawn because nothing can be said of the idea, whether is true or not. A rejection does NOT say Anthing about the hypothesis because a rejection lacks any significant evidence to say anything! (about any kind of truth)
You are right, however you must remember that neuroscience is a very developed branch of science. The concept of shared dreams became popular together with lucid dreams. Yet, somehow, lucid dreaming got accepted and shared dreaming - not at all. The time of shared dreaming is gone, it is in the past. Its existence is simply improbable, knowing how much we understand about the processes of the brain.
By far not as developed as some other branches of science. There is one assumption that seems to contradict everything about shared dreaming, and it is “consciousness is created in the brain”. If that assumption is correct, then it is really absolutely impossible, that there is such a thing like shared dreaming.
But this is only an assumption, and it´s not something neuroscience has proven (I don´t even think it can be proven). I do not believe that consciousness is a product of brain functions, rather the brain is a tool that is used by conciousness… I think that, therefore, there might be something like telepathy. But it would make no sense to look for some physical explanation, because we do now know (relatively certain, thanks to science and neuroscience) that if telepathy exists, it is not in the same category as physics.
Of course that [=conciousness is not created by the brain] is also a belief, but it´s not fair to just say “shared dreaming cannot exist” because you believe in another axiom. That´s not even scientific.
The only way to find out if a thing exists, is looking out for evidence. I believe that we will find out in the next hundred years. Personally, I think there is not enough reliable evidence (yet) on the internet (or anywhere else, for that matter) to claim the existence of shared dreaming. However, if I just look at experiences of people I trust (like my sister), who have reported about shared dreaming, I think it is slightly more probable for it to exist than not to exist.
Whoa, I hope, my grammar was correct enough for this sentences to make sense… It´s much easier to build complicated sentences in german.
When it comes to issues like telepathic dreaming, I seriously believe nothing. There is no proof that it exists and there is no proof that it does not exist. It seems very likely in all honesty, that telepathy is just a pile of lies. I assume this to be the more likely case. Telepathy simply lacks and significant evidence as a hypothesis.
But what I am stressing is not whether telepathy is or is not real. I am stressing the FACT that I might be wrong in saying that its real or in saying that it’s not real. Everyone should do this when they make statements about open ended things like this, everyone could be wrong.
The simple fact is regardless of what you, me or anyone thinks/knows/believes, there is an objective answer to whether telepathy is real or not. So realize that whether you believe in it or not, there is no absolute proof so either side of the argument could be wrong. Even the more likely side!
Paulius I hope I am not being mean. I am not trying to convince you to alter your beliefs as I do not even have one when it comes to this issues. It either is real or is not real. I simply don’t know, and no one knows.
Now I was never saying that telepathy is real. I said if you assume a blind man can enter the dreams of another and assuming that he has the proper brain function to facilitate sight, he should be able to see in a “shared dream”. I was just giving a hypothetical explanation to Threlm. I never said shared dreaming or telepathy was real. Nor would ever say its not real because making either statement is stupid.
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I always liked the idea of shared dreams, read all topics about them, searched the web for any convincing proove and even experimented with it in LDs myself, but I have come to the same conclusion as Paulius and Dagto…it’s all extremely unlikely to say the least (although I secretly still wish to be proven wrong one day)
