That is little unfair dear:)
hehe first yoy get us all up on our toes and now youre saying you
re not going to reaveal more.Thats frustrating:(
The reason why so many people said it might be a lie or a prank is because we dont wanna dissapointment.For us Your ability is like a miracle.If its true we are witnessing huge breaktrough…actually greatest breakthrough that ever happened on this field since proving lucid dreams exists.Its a milestone and we are really,really interested cuz a lot of us made dreams their lifestyle,the topic to study, the most important thing in our lives.
Thats why emotions are pulling us back and forth.
So please…once u made such a wonderfull posts,dont take it away now.
Take care[/u][/b]
Problem is that you already mentioned the objects. It won’t prove anything 100%, because you could’ve thought of objects you had before making the post (I think you didn’t and now you’re backpedalling), but it would give you some amount of credibility. Now, you have none.
Trolling, trolling, trolling…
Jack is right, dear Anna. Please don’t abandon us now. Surely you can understand the skeptiscm of some of our members considering the extraordinary talent that you have. However, from reading the posts on this thread, it is apparent that the majority of dreamers here including myself do believe you, and we would like to work with you to give you support and encouragement. So please stay with us.
don’t blaime you anna. Seems some people here are too busy with their own oppinions of whether it even happened and whether god exsists to even bother answering your original question.
If anything some of the people who replied here should be ashamed of themselves, they certainly didn’t add anything useful and were too busy making the topic about themselves and ‘god’ rather than the original topic.
Oh,lets not be harsh and come back to “nice mode”
I agree with Dark Matter…someone go make a GOD thread if thats what people would like to talk about!
Oh yeah! Hey Dark Matter? sorry i missed a few posts and read the thread wrong when you were talking about remote viewing! Sorry about that!
wow! I just read every one of the 105 posts and asorted linkage. And let me say i am quite pleased that you guys ended up getting back on thopic that was pissing me off.
Any way. yes anna please do keep us posted with new and exciting info on this be it picture or whatever. Maybe what the dreams were like that you pulled these iteams from. If i had that abillity i would never leave my bed. I’d be sleeping all day exparimenting with different objects.
I this is indeed happening, I would highly sugest not tring to re-animate some one in this way. Maybe she’ll come back as a zombie and it will be night of the living dead all over again . You should deffenantly develop your LDing skillz more.
AHHH my mind is a fluster with wave after wave of idea!!! I’m not into supernatural things but occationally i’ll let my imagination go crazy on a subject such as this.
you asked for help i don’t know what to say except research dreaming, verious metaphysical stuff, and work on your dream controll. However i am full of ideas of things to do with this uniqu talent.
the first thing i thing i would do is try to take an iteam back into a dream with me. Just grip that key firmly whail going to sleep, maybe tape your hand shut around it. and when you become lucid remmember that there’s a key in your hand and try to bring it back into the dream and leave it there. see if it disapears…
Or, oh, there was a topic about mind clinics somewhere on this board, and people were talking about imagining taking LD pills in hopes it would increas lucid dreaming. In a lucid dream create a bottle of LDing pills and pull them out of your dream with you. of course if it worked you’d have to send me some for giving you the idea That could be proffitable.
Try to bring something living back like a bird or a something or an egg of something. that could be intersting.
Anyway, every one was talking about how revolutionary this could be and what not. Saying that dream could posibally then be simply other dementions and such. uh oh, Think about all the things you’ve done in lucid dreams when you thought they were just in your head. would you be ashamed, or embarresed if you found out it was another plain of reallity??
how longs this post been hear??? 2… 3… days? That is a lot of posts.
hey anna i couldnt help but notice every1 asking u to do the same thing over and over again and u continually having to explain why u cant do that so i have sum new ideas to hopefully help u.
Well, did any of you notice that anna doesn’t want to show her picture of the objects. To me it seems like if she was messing with us or pulling a prank she would scan things around her house and show them and claim they came from her dream. For a prankster to stop at this point doesnt seem natural, so my skepticism is reduced a lot because of that. Also because of her speech and writing. Any person faking this prolly wouldnt go out of their way to make it seem like they dint speak english very good.
Anna perhaps there are things you can do by yourself that won’t require a camera. You came looking for help, not people to show off to. If you are in school and have a chemistry teacher there i think you should cut small pieces off your objects and take them to him/her and see if they can analyse them under a microscope or if they can send them to a lab for free analyzation and see if the objects are 100% acurate to real life objects. So far u based ur asumption on by how they look and feel. Maybe under the microscope, sumthing different will be revealed. See if you can find out exactly what “type” of wood the doll is made of. If it comes from a dream perhaps it will be a wood that does not even exist in record but just appears as a normal wood. If you dont have the ability to get this stuff tested by a teacher or wut not u can try sum stuff. See if it floats. use magnifying glass to examine every part of them. Hold pieces over a fire, in specific a torch if u have one. then u can get a chemistry book sumwhere and the color it burns might help u find out wut its made out of. taste the things, smell them. See if you can take them back into the dream world. Hold 1 in ur hand at night. And if u enter and LD see if its in ur hand or if not make it appear then let it go. See if u still got it in the morning. start recording the dates and times whenever this happens, u bring an object into the real world. let a dog smell the objects, they got a 6th sense about weird stuff. lol.
thats just sum easy stuff i poped off the top of my head. u wanted help, well i gave u sum stuff to do maybe ull discover sumin on ur own as to the nature of those things. good luck.
i also forgot, maybe u wouldnt mind telling where u live. maybe an active member lives near u who u can meet up with and they can help you more in depth.
Don’t try to bring objects into your dreams Anna. There is still no confirmation if what you experience is safe. Keep doing what you been doing and which you know won’t harm you. I like the other ideas about chemically testing the objects or putting them under intensive scrutiny. Maybe there can be more details to be had, but not doing anything certainly isn’t the answer. Take active steps to solve this mystery Anna, even little things help.
Of course this is all dependent on the fact that you are telling the truth. Which for me is still a bit too far-fetched.
gr8 back on da ball.
Anna life isnt safe would you give up on that ? i hope not
Everything that is new and non charted is a hard place to makea path, but wouldnt you like to make that path and have others follow you.
I am not telling you to go out and tell the world, just not to give up.
right on timeless_soul, Life isn’t safe. Every thing we do has risk involved. By all mean try to take something back into a dream. your not dealling with so called materialation as far as with a median. your not creating ectoplasim for spirits to cross over into our world. Your creating keys and little pieices of metal. look, from extream actions come extreem results. if you want to understand whats happening to you, you have to find out the extent of what you can do. I’m not saying don’t take the objets to get them tested or what ever. But consider this. Any sceintific lab is ganna look at your key and say “why”. Then what are you ganna tell them. Understand what you can do. and get to the point were you can do it at will and then it is time to go public with it. No one will take you seriously if you can’t do it in front of them. get comfertable sleeping with some light on. start with a nightlight if thats what you have to do. even that sould be enough light for some cameras. Of course I really don’t believe you but like i said i like to let my imagination run wild every now and again and you asked for advice. This is what i would do if i were in your position.
Lol, Trigpoe, Did you just finnish a lab in chemistry class? I remember doing all that stuff when i was in school. Don’t mean to knock you r ideas. However. one. wood floats, metal does not. you can tell simply by holding an item if it will float or not. Especially wood and metal. its all a matter of dencity witch is reallitivly easy to determen with no scintific equipment. Two. under a microscope. the only thing that this might do any good for is the doll. It is going to be composed of cells for the others it would be pointless. flame testing. honetly, who has a tourch just laying around. But your getting warmer, this could be atempted on these item but i highly doubt that it will have the desired effect.
If this is truely happening and this girl is 23. She knows what metal and wood feal like right. She know the feeling of the commen dencity of wood and metal simply from handling it. as pedro said our minds take in an incredable amount of information. Chances are just from her interaction with similar objects in real life, she created these objects to share identiacl properties. But This is just my opinion on the subject waist time if you will. but whail your doing it, for the love of god try to take that damn key back into a dream with you.
peace.
What do you think of the possibility that anybody could learn this ability?
To me, if this is true, it seems that this is a highly “physical” phenomenon, and not something supernatural (well, I don’t believe anything is supernatural), considering the fact that the medium loses weight during this process.
“George Meek found that during a materialization seance there is a temporary weight loss from both the medium and the sitters as a substance is withdrawn from their bodies. In his own experiments he found a weight loss of 27 pounds— about 10 kilos— by 15 physicians, psychologists and others who made up the research team (Meek 1987:69).”
Furthermore, the objects seem to be made of blood cells:
“Baron Von Schrenck-Notzing, a Munich physician, showed that ectoplasm is composed of leucocytes— white or colorless blood cells— and epithelial cells— those from the various protective tissues of the body. During a materialization it is taken from the bodies of the medium and the sitters (Stemman, 1975:57).”
(quoted from victorzammit.com/book/chapter10.html )
These two statements, combined with the recent theories that particles can communicate with each other instantly regardless of their distance from each other in space, may spread some scientific light on this issue.
Of course it’s just one of many possibilities, and I don’t know if this “loss of weight” applies to Anna’s experiences.
But, well, what I originally wanted to say was that I think that “psychic abilities”, ain’t gifts that just some people have. IF some people are able to do things as Anna, then it should be possible for everyone. I mean, why would some people suddenly be able to do things that their parents couldn’t? From where did they inherit that ability? Somebody may say, “Well, everybody can not become a super athlete, and it’s the same for psychics” … But, it’s not. Everyone can become an athlete, even if they do not become that great. Didn’t some sleep researchers think that lucidity was a gift exclusive for a minority of people a while ago? Well, of course everyone have different talents, but the same applies to everything.
So what do you think? IF, again, this ability exists, do you think that everyone could learn it with practice? I myself hardly believe that these gifts are so rare that they seem to be.
No…i dont wanna anymore practice.Allways practice…im a child of fast reward generation and i would like to have it like others do…they just have it.
And looking into the future i dont think we will need to practice.If Annas gift is true then just few ppl realizing they have same one will turn the world upside down.
And i think that finall effect will be good.eople will realize theres more to life,prolly learn telepathy not much later…it all will bring just good into this planet.
I mean…once we know its true the development of other abilities will increase in speed like hell.
i just cant wait:)
I don’t take it as a literal history document, because it isn’t its purpose.
I’m not lying and I’m not crazy. I don’t believe people should call others names like that. I’m not going to retaliate and call you names either.
Please however do take the debate to threads where it’s more on topic…
Back to the topic:
I myself want to hear more about these dream objects.
Anna if this was real im sure you would be putting more of an effort into giving us informatin, not always coming out with excuses for things like the camera. You said the camera wouldnt nmake a difference in our belief in you, well, yes it would. It would show that you took the time and effort to show it to us, and would also show us that u didnt just make up descriptions for these dream objects. From reading your posts i have to say it doesnt look like yuor trying to convince us to hard, and to the rest of you, everything i touch turns into gold, yay pay me 100000 and make famous.
Criticize me all you want now, but you have to see my point
Anna, go get a camera, it’s not a big deal, take the picture and post it.
If you were to show us some pictures of the objects, we’d have some more faith in you. This, I think, is because: If you are in fact lying about the objects you brought back, I’m pretty sure you would not bother actually getting objects that fit your description. If you put some effort into this, it will look a lot more creditable.
Lol that’s ok i just assumed you’d lost your mind
I think everyone has the ability to learn anything they truely put their minds to, a little time and effort and i believe anyone could do it.
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I’m going to tell you all a story now while it’s not really on topic it does kind of tie in with the making objects appear although most have an explination.
When i was younger and i was home from school sick (between the ages of 6-9) my mother would buy me toys (usually in advance for such occations) and they would magically appear in my room. Usually i would be sat down stairs with my mom and i would hear a thump in my room of something landing on the floor.
I would go up and find a new toy on the floor. Usually my brother or sister would have come home from school for lunch - obviously what had happened is i would be downstairs and my bro/sis would have sneaked in and dropped it, gone in their room till i had gone in mine then sneaked back downstairs while i was in my room facinated with the new toy. But of course at the time it was magical to me.
Now (and the point of this story lol) one day this happened and in retro-spect i cannot give any explination. As before i was downstairs but i was actually sat on the steps leading upstairs as i often played on them. My mother was in the kitchen, my dad was at work of course and my sister was at school. (at this time my brother had left home and was living in Corby (approx 200miles from where we lived) therefore ruling him out and there was no other way upstairs to me room without passing me.
Now as i was on there stairs there was that familiar thud which even shocked my mother at the time. So i ran upstairs and there was a new toy.
Now in the years that have passed i’ve often wondered how that happened as no one could have dropped that toy as the only people in the house was me and my mom both downstairs - i’ve even asked her about it and she has always said she didn’t know how that particular one happened.
I’d just like to add before i forget this was the last toy i ever got when i was home sick and i would have been about 8yrs old. At this time my dad had put a lock on my door and i had become obssessed with locking my door whenever i wasn’t in the room. - So someone would have had to unlock the door drop the toy lock the door in the time it took me to get upstairs (assuming there really was someone else there)
So i guess the question is was it just pure luck that it was able to be done before i got up the stairs and caught someone locking my door or did i believe so much as a child that the toys magically appeared and that i was expecting it so much that i actually willed the toy into my room?
I’ll leave that up for you to decide, i’ve never found the answer and i still don’t know what to believe now.
Hi again, this would be my last post in this thread e guess, as i said before i don’t blame any of you for not believing my ability to bring (only sometimes) objects from my dreams, i know that it’s sounds like a bad joke to some of you but believe it or not - this is the true. I don’t want to take pictures of the objects i brought and showing them here or to anyone, at this point of time i prefere to keep them only for my eyes, i feel that this is the right thing for me to do. Also i’ll tell you that just for the test i went to google search engine, there is a category there that let you search images that feets to the key words you enter, it’s took me only few minutes to find pictures of all the objects that i told you i brought from my dreams, the wooden doll and all the other objects, if i really wanted i could just take this pictures and tell you that this are the objects from my dreams, of course that i did not and will not do that becouse it will be a lie, but i could do that if i wanted to.
By the way i tested the objects VERY careful and there is nothing strange in them, they are 100% normal by all means.
I’ll continue trying bringing objects from my dreams, you gave me some good ideas that i’ll maybe try.
Sorry, but this is the best i can give here, so sorry.
Anna