Hi Holy reality,
to be simple, I would say that dream yoga is what LD becomes on the daily basis of meditation and “spiritual practice” (I don’t like these words…). When you integrate your daily practice in dreams, they change.
Dm7,
when you say that you splitted into several clones, were you inside of them, did you have several points of view at the same time ?
About cancelling space, I guess the effect being different in trance state and in the dream, with a dream body. For example, if you cancel only directions (not space), your dream body will spin around its axis , without up and down. If you cancel space, you can try to move were you want, you will ever stay at the same place.
For stopping the dream, I forgot to tell that you have to stand still too. It’s easy to stop the dream when you move. But if you stay still, the dream still begin to move, unless you know how to stop it…
Anyhow, you’re a good one ! I’ll read your dream journal right now !
i’m usually not “lucid enough” to do those sorts of experimentations
it’s funny, a long time ago i used to be too lucid and i decided, let’s pretend these dreams are real when i get lucid, go along with them for fun… now that i’ve been doing that i want to stop.
I mean it’s just like you have a different mind while you sleep, too, so it’s hard to sit and think about what would be meaningful to do… like last night I had a brief OBE or something and I couldn’t leave my house for some reason, I was really small and the windows kept opening to more windows, and the doors wouldn’t lead to outside… so I went downstairs and my mom was there at the piano, using it as a desk, and there was a christmas tree with tons of presents everywhere.
So I talked to her, and she let me open a present “early” … it was some sort of weird looking spongebob toy… but I said “hey, I remember getting this!” …for some reason I did… but then I followed her into her room, bombarding her with dreaming questions… like… well… I can’t remember… she gave me some decent advice but then seemed unable.
I don’t know, I wish I could remember what I asked her… but I came to the idea that since I couldn’t leave my house, whatever happened was supposed to happen (the christmas tree thing)
I have quite a few randomly placed christmas trees in my LDs, it’s strange.
I am almost wondering if that might be part of your problem. Lucid Dreaming and dream control is a skill you have to learn. If you don’t use the skill enough you can get rusty at it.
Maybe by just going with the flow you lost the ability to stay in and control your dreams. If that is the case the good news is that you can always re-learn the skill.
Like with self hypnosis or meditation with me. If I go too long with out using it I will have a hard time getting into a trance. But when I start to practice again it comes back quickly.
I don’t know if any of this applies to you or not. I don’t really know you that well yet to fully understand what you are going through.
well there are a hell of a lot of good ideas there and i didnt know that so many people had done these things. I have done a few and will list them as well but not nearly as cool as some of u tell
I have done that a lot. When my enery lv becomes way to high i blow the drea apart,ussaly with anger at somthing, well that used to happen about a year ago, now i can control it. A few times i have made the dream space just disapear as you stated. Very clam space to be in, guess that is just like med right?
why did you put this under most dif? all you have to do is say stop. i didnt know that was hard?
used to do that as a kid. Never really did anything, just looked like it does off twister the movie any of yall reember that movie? ahh well. nice ideas. Some of them i would have never thought of. i will get down 2 it tonighti think. I still have a few expriments to go through and a damn name to find GAH why cant i do that
In fact, when dream disappears, space usually stays, like a pitch black. You don’t see it, be you can feel it. For example, you still have a sense of gravity, of left and right.
I forgot to tell that it is hard only if you stop yourself too. For example sit down and wait one minute : there, it will be unusual if the dream doesn’t move.
Well… I don’t think that’s it… it’s just a general inability to stop, take a look around say “hey now, this dream is kind of boring… I should do something better with my time”… I use my skills regularly, flying, manipulating objects into existence… lately i’ve learned to do spiderman like things… but the problem is I don’t do them from… like… a “me” consciousness I do them from a sort of interactive movie standpoint… I don’t usually stop and toy around with things, or explore… like… if there’s a character in my dream, I parade him around with me… if I have a goal in the dream, upon being lucid, I stick to that.
I don’t usually stop, analyze, focus, and try and really find something valuable to do… it’s like I’m just normal dreaming, while lucid.
Now don’t get me wrong, this does have many advantages, as you know, you can’t FORCE your friends to have fun with you in an LD without sacrificing all realness to the experience, but on the other hand if you’re lucid and your friends show up, it’s great to just take them along on adventures with you… talk to them a bit about lucidity, show them the basics… treat them as if they are real (maybe they are?)
But the problem is really… I’d rather these really cool semi-LDs just be NDs, so that I REALLY THINK IT’S REAL… becuase I mean that just makes them better, and that gives me a disctinct separation.
If it’s a cool ND, go with it…
If it’s an LD… be methodic and contemplative about things… explore.
Not if it’s a LD, treat it like an ND so you can have fun… I want the vividness of lucid dreaming incorporated into meangingful normal dreams…
I mean sometimes I have it… but it’s like I’m too unaware to stop doing really stupid stupid stupid boring things… (spending a whole dream trying to find something i just read on a webpage for example) whereas in an LD i still do some stupid things, but not as many (like … if my LD friends are lolligagging and holding me down… I try and corral them along with me… rather than just realizing “hey they aren’t real, if they are… well… tell them to keep up or that this is goodbye for now, you’ll see them later”)
If I could meditate into a trance this would all be bypassed anyway… when you spend hours upon hours dreaming your mind is just a bit fuzzy… not like if I could just sit down right now and pop out of my body…
That’d be great.
I’ve been meaning to hypnotize myself while dreaming so that I can try and get into a trance whenever, too… but you know… I LOSE ALL SENSE OF DIRECTION AND FOCUS
sorry for this ramble, it’s too long and a bit off topic though.
any of yall reember that movie? ahh well. nice ideas. Some of them i would have never thought of. i will get down 2 it tonighti think. I still have a few expriments to go through and a damn name to find GAH why cant i do that 
