Character Assisted Lucid Dreaming - CALD

Quest for Lucidity
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Yes, well…

I really must see how this… CALD… exactly works. Making some assumptions - as always - she could very well not cooperate. Why should she when she could more easily manipulate me whilst I unconsciously dream? Of course, over time that could work against her and begin working to my benefit… dreamsign.

I really don’t think it will become too big of an issue I can’t handle… like tulpas, which I’m entirely skeptical on anyway.

The things she asked…? I’d say “induced”. But maybe it’s her complex schizo/devil-may-care nature that attracts me to her…

I’ve talked about this so much. Perhaps I should actually apply CALD tonight.

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Haha, CALD was concieved just barely over a week ago-- it’s all so new, I don’t even think I know how it works entirely-- And I MADE it. XD I’m sure I’ll figure it out soon if I think hard enough on it, though… I guess this will all turn out to be beneficial for you in the end right? And that’s all that matters… She seems very interesting-- not tame in any way from how I’ve read about her-- but intriguing indeed…

Well! I wish you sweet dreams, and I hope you have a lucid!

Bed well this night~
~Talon

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Pictures don’t seem to work at school, but from the sound of it, It sounds good. I’ll check it out when I get home I’ll also write up a progress report on how my charater is developing.

~Al

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Just got home

:eek: Wow, you are an amazing drawer, even if the quality of the picture is bad, it is still viewable And alot better than mine (more…Believable :cool: ) & it’s great to have a diffrent perspective, instead of the drawing coming from me, mine look the same (being stickmen :tongue: ) But when I do a real drawing, it’s actually coming from me on someone I actually know so it can never be origonal. I’m defintly going to use it, I doubt she would mind me changing her appearance, well she isn’t speaking too much, havn’t really had much of a response,
I appreciate the time and effort you put in to it (Even if it was 10 minuites) anyone coulda easily of said no.

Lots of appreciation, ~ Al :smile:

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I am so happy to hear you like it :smiley:
^^ I’m sure it would’nt cause too much fuss if you canged her appearence… and I’m sure she’ll start speaking up sometime soon…
XD I’m improving on my realism as well! I am getting better at doing it when no one’s around, though…

:3 I am so very glad I could help!

I wish you luck!~
-Talon

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NYAH! I have been asking for progress reports from everyone, and so few from myself!

Well~

Talon’s Progress Report

It seems as though I’ll have to switch characters a bit, Talon and me have been getting into fights nightly, over all of this “using her as a tool” stuff-- She’s honestly offended, because at one point, we were still the one person, she was my alto-persona. (Scary thing is, SHE was the nice one!) So we haven’t been getting anywhere-- Even if I get her to agree,… I can feel she doesn’t mean it!

We came to the conclusion, that we could go back to the way of thinking “We’re two halves of a whole”. For a very very long time, I had Talon be incontrol of my mind, as it was a very chaotic time in my life. She helped me make the rather ‘mechanical’ way of thinking I have now, then slowly I took control of what was within and without me. :D~ Is without how you use that?

So anyways, after a bit of contemplation, I think I’m going to go let Naknus and Talon go live in Aria again with the others. I’ve been keeping them in mindspace because I didn’t want them to get too involved with the other less-developed characters. I was wrong though, Talon is much happier being around her boys, and Naknus is happier being where his books are. :D~ So instead, I’m recruiting Takone and Ghost everynight, as both are fairly automatic already-- just not to the level of Talon and Naknus. And maybe it’s better that way…Besides that, they’re much nicer and they more readily agree to things.

Also!
It seems when I ask Talon to help me go lucid-- As a sort of revenge after our arguments, she gives me unpleasent dreams. Otherwise digs up memories I had never really expected to encounter in sleep! I can at least tell that she did it because dreams SHE designs are in warm colours, all of the colours in the dream tend to be beiges and other warm tones. While Naknus’s tend to be more in the cool colour range.
I’ve also found that because my clock is set 30 minutes ahead, and I percieve it as the normal time (when it’s not) and I ask Talon to wake me up–

Instead of waking me up at the REAL time, she wakes me at the time it says on the clock,
E.g: I ask her to wake me at 7:45,
She wakes me at 7:45… On the clock! And since my clock is 30 minutes ahead, it’s really just 7:15!

Ah well!

So lesson learned: Even if the characters seem ideal-- Personality must be taken into concideration too! Otherwise, it might not work!

With much hope for CALD’s future success~
-Talon!

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…I’m always tired when I come to post here yawn

“Progress reports?” Okay…

My unnamed character has recently adopted a similar persona to that of Faye Valentine from the anime Cowboy Bebop. I describe her as, an amalgam of Ling Xiaoyu, Asuka Kazama and Faye Valentine - yet still heavily retaining her own original, unique essence.

(In fact, I meant to sketch her today… There was too much to do. I’ll draw her, eventually. I’m afflicted by perfectionism - such is my delay.)

My progress is stagnant. Purposely, though - I’m refining her image. I think the communication is where it should be right about now, but I’m unsure as to whether it’s me, or actually my character… Is this fine? Either way, I don’t think I’ll name her… yet. I want to see if she can provide a name. In fact, that will be my LD objective:

Because she is an “organic-” and not “artificial intelligence” - speaking loosely - I did not consciously conceive her character. Therefore, I believe it would be better exercised to allow her to anecdote her life. Why should I come up with everything? (That’s a contradictory question. Ultimately my subconscious created her - unless you follow by Jungian psychology and make presumptions, which I really don’t want to get into. So, on a conscious level she’s independent of me…? But subconsciously she came from… me. Which means she is granted access to infinitely more than I am at the moment.)

So, by allowing my character a more proactive approach to herself, she actualizes her own existence, adding to her a substantial depth.

It’s a Catch-22like situation. One develops the character to - among other benefits - aid in lucidity. But, with lucidity one could interact with his/her character on almost simlar terms and learn about them from them, thus solidifying the character. I think it’s now a matter of “whichever occurs first”…

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I’ve managed to reimage the character so she looks like the picture, I’ve been talking to her every night, however no reply. But i’m finding it much easyier with a much more simplier image to render and i’m develpong her personality by giving her answers, but I’m hoping she will start to talk, I was thinking that if i’m really kind to her and being ‘nice’ will provoke a response, I want to be on good ground with her first xP

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^^ It’s great to hear such progess, and you’re right-- Dream characters can be infinitely more deep than consciously created characters! I think in this situation-- because she contacted you first, she came first-- but I hope you can still reach her consciously! If not, perhaps you can in a new lucid dream…
She’s so independent already, I doubt there’ll be much problem! :D~

WIth great joy to your progress,
-Talon

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:smiley: I am happy with the news you’re sticking to it-- And definitely, having good groundwork is SO important-- Talon and me split because we were not on good terms, she can’t be used in CALD anymore–
But THAT’S OK! I got two of my nicer characters an ooh do I have a report coming up…
I really hope that she turns out to be an agreeable character, it can help so much!

Her agreeing will mean your success! :D~

With much elation,
~Talon

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YAY

I am SO HAPPY! It turns out my decision was right-- Takone and Ghost REALLY DO work!

Besides that, I’ve found they’re the PERFECT combination!
Takone is so helpful, IWL and not! He gives me suggestions and reminders-- and is SO NICE during it all! He’s perfect, I can talk and talk and talk, and even if he doesn’t reply, I can feel he listens… and He’s so adorable!
Ghost gives me insights on myself, and why I am dreaming the things I do-- He’s a constant support in his brilliant silence-…

To get to the point…

CALD WORKED FOR ME YESTERDAY! :smiley: (this morning) :smiley:

I asked Takone if he’d help me go lucid-- and not only did he happily agree he said (and I shall quote).

" I will make sure you will DEFINITELY go lucid tonight! And if you don’t remember, I’ll help you do that too! Mindspace monsters or not!!!"

XD During my dream-- when I couldn’t remember what I wanted to do while lucid, he would poke over my shoulder and remind me in my right ear. And once during the second half, Ghost was behind me (I couldn’t see him) and he mentioned “That must be happening because”…

I won’t go into specifics… but I could…? If anyone wants to hear about my dream I could post it here-- or maybe I should start a dream journal? Well-- To put it briefly, there was alot of summoning, I saw Azen and Leon twice, and alot of the dream we were talking and heading through it together. I felt Takone there most of the time, and Ghost was present probably the whole dream, but I only felt/heard him in the last half.

This lucid dream was even more startling then the last! For me, definitely… the CALD dreams were the most moving…and alot happens! Not like other lucids I’ve had at all… I have 6 whole pages worth of dream to read all about this morning!

I am happy that for me, that CALD works very very well-- It’s all just a case of which characters to use, and how to treat them… It’s all very exciting, it makes me so happy!

With much hope and joy for the future of CALD,
~Talon

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Wow!, i love Takone’s enthusiasm towards you becoming lucid, he sounds like such a nice character.
It’s really cool how they simply remind you during the dream, and I bet when you heard them I would think that you doubted your reality, so even if they don’t tell you that you’re dreaming, you already have a little idea of why they are there.

People who wake up as soon as they realise their dreaming (People like me :slight_smile: also could find the technique useful (Characters can tell you to stay calm). I can recall a dream where me and my family were on a train, and we kept losing our stuff, like pasports flying out the windows, losing phones, I Thought ‘Omg, this can’t be happening, this must be a dream, i’ll wake my self up to see…’ and well, it was a rather ‘short’ lucid dream…

Perhaps for the future, people who use characters just for lucid dreaming should just make their character really considerate for you, ‘Wants to help’, and perhaps a few other traits that can be useful towards lucid dreaming.

Overall though, it sounds like CALD is becoming a success.
even though it isn’t an official method (yet), and not many people have tryed it, from your results it sounds very promising.

Congragulations on making it this far.

~Al

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Ahhh Takone is Truly lovely, and he loves talking to people and being social, so if people drop him a few lines at the character chat page, I’m sure he’d be so happy! ^^
I think, that making a nice character who’s willing to help would REALLY be useful… as it makes the whole proceess easier-- and you’re right, keeping calm can be a very smart thing to ask of them. I am happy to know my characters have my back in my dreams-- aparently Leon is very set to protect me-- even from his best friend Azen, (who, unfortuanately attacked me).

Thanks so much for the encouragement and congrats… It makes me very hopeful that oneday CALD could be useful, both in dreams and not! ^^

Delerious from joy,
~Talon

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That’s good news to hear, Talon ^^ I’m happy you were able to successfully apply CALD, and that you came to terms with compatible enough characters for it. That is so cool ^^

I would hope you begin a DJ here on the forum - I’m really interested in reading your dreams. (Someone so creative must have a captivating dreamscape…)

I haven’t really done anything with my character today. (I’m extremely busy preparing for my leave to Hawai’i… there’s no free time anymore -.-)

Anyway, nightfall is when I have the most time for this… that and during class. And I still await a true LD…

But yes, congratulations Talon ^^

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Just a question about the characters.
On average for you, how long does it take for a character to come up with a response on it’s own free will?

I’m not sure if my character is shy, or if she’s ignoring me, or she can’t respond yet.

And also, How much do you speak to your characters? at what times ect…

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XD I love your encouraging posts, they’re always so HAPPY~
I might just start to do DJs here, but my dreams are long and I’d have to find time…My dreams are not so captivating! My creative…nesss…is a conscious sort of thing! XD

I really hope that you have more time to dream soon…

SWEET DREAMS!
~Talon

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MMM~!
On average for me, if I try at it, a full week would be needed for a character-- up to a month depending on the character… This, with alot of roleplaying, of course.
However, with some character, it can be immediate, or just a day or two-- depends on the essense. If these spontaneous characters stick around however-- is a completely different story! Buuut…concidering the tutorial steps, are all pretty much one for me, similtanious even, it may be much to expect from others who haven’t done it quite as much as me…

Perhaps, you can have her chat with some friendly characters in the character chat line-- it works well for me, and tends to get response frequency up at least a little when I do so for some of my newer characters!

Speaking to my characters-- This most often happens for the longest periods in the evening, and night. During the mornings I usually just get short reminders ( brush your teeth, grab that fan, feed your pets) ect, ect, as I am dead to the world as I drag myself from bed to school…XD!~
In the afternoons, sometimes I will chat with them when I feel it relevant, when I am bored, or…when there is commentary to be offered.
From character to character, I tend to chat with them differently… Talon I can speak to easily, and Naknus as well, in my head alone. Takone seems to require some visual imagination to speak well, as in I visually imagine him infront of me as if he were sitting there–
I chat with them on a daily basis-- out of habit since I was at least 12. The common number is 3 times, once in the mornings, some kind of commentary in the afternoon/evening, then another in the night, or a short/long chat.

I hope that answered your questions!
I have a feeling there’s more though-- So I await your reply!

Ever expectant–
~Talon :3~

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ahhh, Thank you for clearing that up for me.
Well at the moment, i speak to her alot before I sleep, it’s really easy too, I just chat about the day to her, and ask her how her’s was. She don’t come out with any replys Yet however I’m using this opputunity to build her character up even more, what intrests she does in the World Mazarti. Also, the more relaxed I am, the more easyier and comfy it is to talk to her, whereas walking down a street and trying Proves to be rather difficult. Also, during school, I tell her about diffrent things, For example. “Ahh, Well I got maths next, we have Mr I wish that he would teach us something one day” And i’ll simply reply for her (If she don’t give me one) “Ah that must really suck, your Education is important” (Progressing on the ‘Caring’ Trait). I also try to give her an insight onto the people in my class, which one is the most rude :neutral: . But i’m hoping that the outcome, (when she eventually starts to speak) will be benaficial (sp?)

Gd night & Sweet Dreams.
~Al

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Ahh that’s great ^^ It sounds like everything is just smoothly running along!~ ^^ I am happy things are going ok… Just remember to be sensitive to whatever tingles of replies you may feel-- it may be all she can do right now.

I Think giving her an insight sort of thing of people in your class is cool, it gives her an opinion to form…

Well, in the end, it all really just tests your creative skils right?

Sweet Dreams and G’night~!
-Talon

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Well Talon, as for the captivation of your dreams, either you’re very modest, or you’re telling the truth - subjective to yourself… Perhaps if your dreams were an infinitely expansive “white space”…

I just had an… “epiphany”, can we call it? I’m not entirely sure if my character “told” me, per se… but the name “Harlequin” - variation “Harley Quinn” - came to me when I was spacing out. I don’t know, it could’ve been me. Maybe not.

I can’t go with this name entirely until I have an LD and am able to personally speak with… “Harlequin”…

Funny - I was under the impression that she would have an exotic, Asianic name. Still… I can’t conclude that she doesn’t until I actually LD.

Harlequin? Why?