Colorblindness

Hello there,

I happened to find out that something like lucid dreaming exists yesterday. It does really interest me.
Today, I managed to remember a dream what I usually do not. In my dream my dream diary was full. I wondered why and concluded I filled it some time ago. Silly me, one step further and I would have been lucid.

Well, what I really want from you:
I’m redblind and so never had the experience of the color “red”, for example. Is it possible to summon something that shows me how real red looks like or will I just see the “red” people bashed me to believe it was red (which I see as a kind of brown in fact)?

I will try the VILD method tonight, let’s see what happenes.

red would look like what you expect it to look like. remember to post back when you have done it.

/me quickly edits the post, since she just spotted it was a first post :happy:

:welcome: to LD4all rackergen :wiske:

Thank you for your info. (And thanks for the welcome) :wink:

I will deliver information whenever I manage to get a LD (which might take some time though I am really motivated).

Hi rackergen und welcome to the forum!

I wonder have you ever seen red in a normal dream?

question is: How could he know he saw red if he doesn’t really know how red looks like, cos he never saw it?

He could’nt know but he could think he knows. Seeing a color is all about subjective perception, because physically speaking he does see red (the wavelength), it just doesn’t look the same to him as to average human beings.

I doubt this.
Actually his eye does not at all process the information of red light. Therefore his brain does not create the perception of the color red.
But just because of this phenomenon it is possible for him to see red in dreams. His brain could create the perception of the color red if the perception is not based on sensual organs.

Yeah but he wont know that cos he doesnt know how red looks like, right? He cant tell its red for sure, but he can assume it.

As has been said before, color is perception and perception can only be subjective. Nobody can tell if his or her Red perception is the “right” red, because there is no right red. Red isn’t objective, unlike the objects that are red.

Yeah, I’ve always thought that, like, my ‘red’ oculd really be someones ‘green’, right? Who would know?

this same understanding can also be transplanted to things that we don’t see in reality and how that thinking were are normal and average doesn’t mean to sya other peoples experiences how unfathomable they are to you seem very real to someone else

My guess is that you wont see the colour red, but it would indeed be a interesting experiment to try.

Yes it would be that !

Oh, many posts in my absence.

To clear things:
I haven’t had a lucid dream yet, or atleast I don’t remember one. I should work on my dream recall first.

Concerning the colors:
I think the colors look the same or at least similar to everyone since there are color tests and even research results on that topic.
I thought I know how red looks like but if I look at a red painting it is the same red I would expect to be red.
I don’t know if I ever saw red in a ND since I don’t remember dreams that often. I usually remeber the topic of a dream and maybe 2 pictures (or short scenes) with minor color experience and that’s all - usually they are in real-life colors.
This is something I really have to work on.

Basically, I think the colors are the same to the normal seeing individuals but different to colorblind ones. The fact I have never seen red before makes it hard for my brain to create recognizable brain waves. I even doubt my brain feels the need to create these brain waves (even in dreams). We will see. I’ll keep you informed.

For further information on colorblindness I wrote this program based on the vischeck-algorhithm:
home.arcor.de/rackergen/colorblindness.exe
(Info: I’m still redblind :wink:, also, some feedback would be nice)

It is impossible to prove if colors are the same for everyone.
Look in someone’s brain? It’s just a bunch of neurons firing off stuff. Doesn’t sound much like a color to me. What about tastes? You can’t just lick a person’s brain and get his idea of what some things taste like. It is impossible.
And if you’ve never seen red, red won’t be as you expect it to be. I don’t know how it is for you but in my waking state, I can’t imagine a color that I’ve never seen. It simply doesn’t work.
The great advantage of lucid dreaming is that you can see and sense stuff in ways completely different from reality. So you might be able to see red or other colors that you have never seen. Just as you cannot imagine 360° degree vision (at least I can’t) but some experience it in their dreams.

rackergen:

so you cant see any orange or purples either?

in my program, the first two fields are the same to me so if you enter orange and it isn’t orange in the second field you are right.

Test these:
255-0-95
0-99-95

Korittke: You can proove the colors the people with normal vision see are the same. How do you explain some colors don’t go together for all normal seeing people?

I was talking about the philosophical background.
You don’t even know if other people “see”. You can only measure their brain activity, the way you measure seawaves or distances. And in connection with the idea of seeing a color you’ve never seen before, in a dream, it is important to make clear what that would mean.
If I got to see new colors that would just be totally awesome.

Rackergen- what program are you talking about :confused: :confused: