Death and Dreaming

[Hanzomaru]

Someone once told me that God teaches us how to die every night when we sleep. To some degree I can see some truth in this. Think about it, we are no longer aware of anything that is going on in the concious world. I also read a book on life after death and some of these near death patients the books talk about describe events in their afterlife as if it were a dream. In fact, many things including OOBE were mentioned in the book. I just thought it was interesting.

[Zogger]

perhaps, but I imagine death will be more like being under general anesthetic*. There’s just nothing*. If you’ve never had it, then it’s just like closing your eyes and opening them again, with no sense of a gap in between.

I believe the theory on what people see when they’re about to die is that it’s* the result of a chemical produced in the brain, but who knows, anything’s possible.

[pav]

There is one big difference - you don’t know if you will ever wake up…

[LanaLang]

Did you know that when you die yuo have a powerful hallucinogen in your body? I think it’s called DMT.

[r3m0t]

Consider the possibility of NDEs and OOBEs actually being a dream, and nothing more.

Also, what do you think about ghosts? Dead humans? How would this fit in?

[milod789]

I imagine death will be more like being under general anesthetic*. There’s just nothing*.

At least that you remember. I would imagine that general anesthetic could also cause memory loss.

[Zogger]

well, don’t remember anything of the time, just the going to sleep and waking up. I’d never thought that there might be something there that I couldn’t remember. I just assumed that the nothingness seemed instantaneous because it was nothingness.

[toadstool]

@LanaLang

Did you know that when you die yuo have a powerful hallucinogen in your body? I think it’s called DMT.

Yes DMT is found in small quantities in the brain for yet unknown reasons. Many neuro-scientists believe that it is involved in the birth and death process. This is something that I have been thinking a lot about lately. Along with DMT there is also the Ketamine model for death, which basically says that when your brain is dying the same thing happens as when ketamine is taken.

K model for death: leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=9264

After taking both of these into consideration and my OBE and LD experiences I wrote the following blurb in the “Jesus was the ultimate lucid dreamer topic.” I do fail to mention the K model for NDE, but that further explains the disociated state of the spirit rising above the body that some people experience upon NDE.

@toadstool

This is an interesting topic, because it would imply that heaven and hell with relation to the after life are a dream or chemical state. Something interesting is considering that when you die your brain releases DMT. I’ve never done DMT, but I know it is an insanely powerul chemical. Additionally, I know it can cause outrageous loss of time. It can seem like days in a 5 minute intoxication. DMT has also been known to cause experiences of heaven and hell, as well as OBE and near death experiences, further linking it to the reason that we experience these things in true near death experiences.

So based on these few ideas: Your brain maintains some kind of activity for hours after you die. You would presumably either be in nothingness or be in a dream state as you become disconnected from your dead body(much like you experiences when you disconnect yourself through meditation). DMT is a schockingly powerful chemical that would be introduced into your brain at this time. Chemicals are much more active in dream states.

It is clear that if you mind does enter a dream state upon the death of the body, and the DMT is introduced into the chemical equation that is you. Your mind would be so active, even for a few milliseconds that you woulld most definitely have OBE. Your spirit would be thrust into a lucid state of heaven and hell, depending on the state of your mind you live with. Your mind would be so overwhelmed that you would not have control until the levels of DMT subsided. If you know anything about tripping, if you get started off on a bad note, this will continue the entire trip and probably escilate. All of these would happen in only a few milliseconds, but would seem like eternity because of the influence of the dream state and the DMT.

Eventually, those who did not experience hell would gain hold of their trip and be in a lucid wonderland like nothing they could every imagine, but those who are on the bad trip would spend eternity in a state of fear and anxiety like none they could dream of.

I’m not saying this is what actually happens, but this makes lots of sense to a person who is a lucid dreamer and has had some entheogenic experiences.

BTW welcome to the forum LanaLang.

[Vhalnyr]

That was really interesting toadstool, thank you