I may have said this before o dont know, but i feel it to be very importent to keep your dreams in a book, and not on a computer, or both i believe technology to be somewhat temporary. i saw this guy on you tube who had allmost 2000 dreams on his coomputer. now what if tthey were lost. all that work wasted. a dj should be more senamental. years from now you can read through them, and relive those dreams, and maybie pass them down to your kids, and teach them how to ld, and that life, can allways be fulll of magic, and mystery, and that life isnt a repeated mundane expirance. i was reading through my first dj the other day, and my first ld, and it inspired me to get back into lding. i felt the rush of magic come back. my djs are my pride, and joy, and the one thing i would save in a house fire. so to the newbies of lding. keep your dreams in a nice journal for it is your companion that will journey with you on this wonderful world you are about to step into. your first ld will allways be the best ld.
From experience, I also find easier to recall more details when writing on a pen-and-paper DJ, guess it’s about the effort you put into it, plus the different pace of transcribing.
I do keep my LD’s on computer, though, and that’s why I have 3 different backups of them, 1 online (plus my online DJ here, ofcourse). But you can’t beat ye olde PnP, that’s for sure.
At least when starting, keep those dreams on paper, it is much more personal that way, it really does help getting involved and having better DR. If you then have the time to put them online, all the better 
but it’s not necessary at first, you can just keep it intimate if you want.
Dream on y’all ^^
allso when you read through your journal it allso brings back memorys from your waking life as well. i have pics in my journal of people, and places i was at, and knew at the time iwas having the dreams. the other day i even put in a autumn leaf to recall the season. this is just some ideas for you to spice up your dj. i even have some pics of the forum in my dj. allso write in the front of your journal inatructions on how to ld not just for, but for your kids if you pass them down, but thats just me, im senamental that way. i allso have a long list of random words in my dj, that helps with my DR, but do what you want. thats just some advice from a ld vetran.
This is all so true. When I read back through my DJ it brings back a ton of memories from my life. And I also learn a lot about myself by studying my dreams, Which helps my waking life. My DJ has extreme sentimental value to me, I’d definitely save it in a fire. I love reading back through all my adventures from the dream world.
I don’t agree. A DJ can be sentimental i digital form as well, if you make it special, which I think is possible even in digital form.
That’s why you keep a backup. Digital media is extremely easy to copy, in contrast to a physical journal. If you keep a backup it is much more likely that you will lose your physical journal through accident, forgetting it somewhere or the like.
That is not generally true and not often the case either.
Kava, I think most of your recent topics have been very absolutist (“always”, “never”) and so on, which is often a sign of poor advice because almost nothing is expressed in absolutist terms.
Who cares,
Kava made a good point, and it’s true. I don’t think it’s poor advice at all, makes since to me Kava 
It makes sense that the Earth is flat, too. But that doesn’t mean that it is.
There exists at least one counterexample.
true, but it was advice meaning take it or leave it, and you can have tons of backup files there no good without electricety. we rely too much on technology, if something big ever does happen that sends us bacck to the stoneage ill still have my DJ. I guess thats oldfasion thinking, but…
it doesn’t make since the earth is flat at all…
you may be able to find a counterexample but it’s an opinion.
An opinion is only valid if it is backed up with reason. This opinion (or advice) is not backed up by any evidence. Thus, it is invalid.
Of course it does! Just looking around you, without any observable evidence that the world is round, your immediate conclusion is that the Earth is flat. That is how ancient civilizations reasoned, until evidence was found that the Earth is indeed round. To the ignorant, it makes sense; that is the same case here; Kava’s point may sound reasonable to common sense, but that doesn’t mean that it’s true.
What sort of big thing did you have in mind, that would wipe out technology but not humanity?
I love the idea to put in pictures or other items into the DJ!
I’ve never been one to do much besides a dream journal, though I have lately been trying to keep something of a diary as well, and thought to combine the two; See the influence of life and dreams upon each other…
One benefit I’ve found at times for doing a DJ on the computer, is that I can type a heck of a lot faster than I write, and some dreams take a looooong time to write.
Next time I get a long vivid dream, I think I may just jot down some keywords, and move to my pc to help things flow out easier… maybe print up a copy and staple it into my journal
The other week I spent over 45 minutes writing ( sudden wave of deja vu as im writing this… anyway) and other times in the past, I’ve found when i start getting more lengthy recalls more often, the amount of time it takes to write it all out ends up making me stop writing altogether for months or years at a time…
Which reminds me of a technique I read somewhere, to just jot down all little keywords or phrases, box them up, do some little arrows pointing around if you remember which came first; After all that(or later in the day or evening), you can flesh it out in a more traditional sense, and pick up some of the keywords and feelings to correlate with IWL things to help make a sense or interpretation of the dream.
Does anyone else have any constructive ideas on how they do, or might do, their DJ? Benefits they’ve found in one means versus another?
I tried to take the best of both worlds: if I were to write down all my dreams in detail, even on PC, that would take me 2-3 hours daily, so instead i just jolt down keywords on paper (without leaving the bed, it helps with recall), while still trying to remember as much dreams as i can (still taking it seriously enough to motivate my mind); instead, when i have a LD, i cycle it in my head enough times and go writing it on my laptop (on standby, always ready for this kind of things ^^), whith as many details as possible.
I used to draw some of the things i saw in my dreams, but i don’t anymore 
and i think this would be really useful for anyone, as it really improves the recall one has of a dream.
I can’t accept this reasoning as a personal justification for only having or having a physical DJ myself. For a start, arguing within the bounds of what you suggest, I have a car, a power inverter, and a laptop and printer; should that happen I can simply use them to print what I have. Although I don’t believe that such an event will happen anyway.
Also, as far as I’m concerned technology isn’t evil, and humans as a species are entirely reliant on technology/tools anyway. Cloths are a tool, what you use to hunt / gather food is a tool. Technology for me is nothing more than a tool. So I also don’t agree that we are ‘too reliant on technology’ At this stage, we use it for comfort, entertainment and many other things, and I can’t see anything wrong with this, it only extends tool use of the stoneage.
I disagree. To state this opinion as a fact without evidence would be invalid. A fact is invalid without being backed up by a reason or evidence, but I don’t think holding people to that requirement over an opinion is constructive. If you go around calling peoples opinions invalid, conflict will ensue. Opinions can’t always be backed up with ‘satisfactory’ evidence. It is a belief/opinion in itself that they should/must be.
Kava also gave a reason, that reason might not be satisfactory to you or me, but it is still a reason. I don’t see why people are required to justify themselves scientifically or absolutely for their beliefs. I’ve said above how I can’t accept kava’s reasoning, that doesn’t make it worthless though, if he chooses to believe this way, that is his choice. I don’t believe his intention was to debate this, but instead to share something that is of personal value to him. I’d like him to accept I believe differently and not call me stupid, deluded, wrong, etc so I should offer the same treatment. I don’t have to agree to offer that either.
That’s great 
you obviously have similar beliefs to kava in some respects. That’s fine so long as you keep in mind that they are your beliefs at this stage. If you want to state them as a fact, then scientific method has proven itself to be very useful for testing such things.
With offering advice, it is not a good thing if you assert your opinions as factual advice . Regardless of if they have had a positive effect on you. Because to do so fudges the origin and source of them. People can take them to be fact, and this is how myths and rumours start. With something like LDing, where expectations create, you could find people with problems they would never have had, if they had not read about them. In this case though Kava has explained his reasoning, and therefore allowed for people to understand that this has come from an opinion, personal experiance and his beliefs, rather than testing or such like.
I keep my DJ online, and on my computer under encryption. Backups are stored in at least 4 places on different drives. Them being on LD4all is a huge backup, if there is a fire at my house and by some fluke I lose all my hard drives, they will remain online.
I still think that opinions need at least a little bit of evidence and a little bit of reasoning (mch less so than facts of course) to be valid. Otherwise, to what good use are they? I could state things like “I think the sky is green. But that’s just my opinion.” and that doesn’t add anything to discussion or conversation. Usually, “That’s just my opinion.” is said when the reasoner runs out of arguments.
To me, an opinion is only really useful when backed up by at least a little bit of evidence and reasoning. In this particular situation, the reasoning is not backed up by anything else than internal observation which is why I don’t find it so useful.
Ah, I see that you think something similar. (I wrote this after responding to your first paragraph and reading your others 
) So in short, since this opinion was offered as advice in this case, it wasn’t really useful.
I would rather focus on the word “factual” here, since people giving their opinions as facts is what makes arguements start 
this is why i love this sight. we are so open minded that the simplist topics can spark a phillisophical debate, where more can be learned. LD4all has some great phillosophers.
I think just the act of writing on a dream journal makes a connection in your head that a computer cant. all yall arguing is too complicated for me so ill stay out of that…