Do you believe we are approaching a major social change?

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the age of disinformation where the power elites “battle for control of public perceptions”
news isn’t important information, its spin, a socialisation box, propaganda, headlines, entertainment, and
commercials, its harmonious irrefutable happy confident-looking chitchat that touches ‘important knowledge’ -no time-energy to look up at reality as it is before your family starves

not hard to see the conditioning we internalised since birth
conformity is holy, competition is natural, ego is strength, oppression is for the weak, wealth means hard work, others are strangers, authority knows best, The world will be the world, and there’s not much you can do to change it, just let things be as they are everything will work out on it’s own
question those who question us

forget corporate crime, forget inequality, stratification is only fair
be a good citizen and keep your eyes wide shut for you are already powerless
everything is too complicated, you are not smart enough, this is all a big joke, go on with your life

post-modernism at it’s best, image over substance
life institutionalised

What is coming up? An Abyss.
a downward cycle of society carying so much momentum it will have nothing to rebound off.

martial law. tyrannical NWO. superweapons. virtual prisons. panopticon-style privacy. forget human rights… global warming. methane hydrates. global dimming. more wars. more ITCZone famines.

We are on the downslope. Whatever you do, don’t be passive. If this is BS to you, good, go find out why this is BS to you. and if you’re back from walmart or foxnews then let the world know because you are saving the world with your Actions. the world is every person around you, and their pain, mysery and death you acted against is saving the world.

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Pilot you are totaly correct.

I belive in order to break this pattern we must learn to realize thet every thing is connected one person suffering will in the end make you suffer. Its a circle.

I belive that wath you can do is to fight thr powers and be aware of that if you do not do anny thing to help the world. You are usless. You must realise that you are only one person and you will allways be worth less than two persons. And most important of all NEVER fear the povers. They can take away everything you own, they can beat you and they can kill you. But they can never take away who you are. Be aware that wath ever suffering they are causing you will one day come back at them.

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I am not talking about the greed of companies.
No ofcourse oil does not help but the capability to make food for the starving masses and purify water and get it to the starving people around the world. If Society crumbels there will be no possibility of aiding those in need efectivly. so if global warming turns serious and society crumbels than all the poor people without acsess to nearby natural resourses will die or at least allmost die.

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Exactly. But people will only realize this by death and destruction. Look at our entire history. We always needed a dark era to grow towards more light. Yet the further we developped as a human race, the deeper the darkness needed to see the light again; the last real dark era was WWII but it led to human rights, NATO and the UN eventually. That’s the whole tragedy of life: we can never see higher truths without questioning, fighting, destroying and transcending our current truths. Death is the only way to find life.

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Yupp like the budhists say. life is only suffering. And the quest is to break free of life.

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Here is an interesting view of the future of the media:

halorising.com/epic//

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Hm well I happen to think there is a difference between death and destruction and enforced torture. Once the truth is realised I don’t think there is any need whatsoever for us to make our lives any more difficult than they have to be. There is absolutely no need to have leaders who lie and cheat, missiles containing depleted uranium, a biased media spreading disinformation etc.

Hard times may well be a neccesary ingredient of a densely physical world like our own but that is no excuse for us to go and create our own suffering.

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Well that movie about googelzon was quite creepy.
I didnt really get it so that is like googlezon ruling the internet??? or are they just like a realy big company.

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“Love is the only sane and satisfactory answer to the problem of human existance”-Eric Fromm

"Evil no longer exists in contrast to good; rather, there is a new inhumanity: indifference” -Eric Fromm

I agree, it seems to be the only way. What concerns me is all that is unnecessary. Does it not make sense though to treat all things as unnecessary and do as much as possible?

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I believe the United States is in the process of attempting to crack down on a significant impending “growth” of the younger generations, similar to the 60s.

I believe that either mankind willl greatly advance in the next 10-20 years, or that we will fall into another dark ages as the nation becomes a pervasive police state hell-bent on killing individuality under the guises of “protecting morality” and “keeping us safe from terrorism”

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Okay. I’ll just take the non-global angle of this, as it is the only angle I really “know”. I couldn’t take a global view of this as I only know the international situation from newspapers and other unreliable (propagandic) sources.

What I know about my home country is that as more and more people here get more and more wealthy, they focus more and more (again…) on their own wealth and happiness. The wealthier people are, the more egocentric they become. “Rich” people do increasingly believe in the right of the fittest (or whatever).

I know this, as I know a lot - a lot - of wealthy people (I’m probably one of them now) and a lot fo not so rich people.

All I know is that the future of my nation is worrying me beacuse of this.

I have no idea of the future of the planet though… How could I possibly?

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Unfortunately, I’m experiencing this generation from the worst possible position. I’m in it. From what I’ve seen, the adults of this gen will be acting just like the bratty fifth graders they are now. Overly sensitive filth whose most positive influence is in the AO videogames their parents are unwittingly putting in their hands thinking that they’re doing something nice for their kid. I get disturbed when I see an eight year old girl throwing a fit in a store and the mother giving in and putting GTA in their shopping cart. The next generation will just be more demoralized and materialistic jerks who shun all of their responsibilities and only care about themselves, imho. :eek:

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I can see one of two major changes happening soon.

Optimistic:

Corporations have very little power. We still have grocery stores, and the like, but nearly all information/software (encyclopedias, movies, music, computer software, etc.) is available for free. Rather than charging for content, these people ask for donations. People who like the content and are able to donate usually do. The amount of income made by these groups is determined by the quality of the product rather than marketing.

Pessimistic:

(This focuses mainly on the United States)
In the next several years, the Bill of Rights is slowly revoked. The constitution is amended to ban flag burning, gay marriage, and ANY tools or information that could help terrorists. Atheists are denied citizenship. (To quote George Bush Sr., “No, I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.”). We slowly decline into a dystopian society that would make Orwell look like an optimist.

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Why shouldn’t gay people be allowed to get married? Its not their fault they have a chemical imbalance. All this crap that happens in life is completely preventable, simply if more people saw from a broader perspective, rather than just their own narrow one.

Think for yourself children, don’t always just listen to the people around you.

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when social change or revolution has happened throughout history, it has always been on the backs of one group, the middle class. (think about that one for a second and tell me if you can think of a different way) right now, i sense that the middle class is pissed.

it may seem like wal-mart and mcdonald’s and big oil are ruling the world, and they kind of are right now. but when the conditions are right (2012?) the middle class will step up and envoke change. this could come in many forms.

hello, communism. marx said (in a nutshell, i haven’t read his stuff fully so correct me if i’m wrong) that in an industrialized nation the workers will rise up to take control. the ussr was not an industral nation, and china seems more like a dictatorship thats really oppressive. i don’t think the communist revolution has even truly happened. it may never happen, but if it does happen you know that the US will be in the middle of it. we are already well off (if you take bill gates’ money and give it to everyone) and we are industrialized and dependent on workers.

the 1950’s was really an age of closet oppression. in answer to that oppression we had the 60’s, an age of rebirth really. could we be heading in that direction?

in a nutshell, here is cory’s ideas for what happens next socially (no particular order):

  1. middle class rising against current powers, keeping this system while ‘trying’ to get rid of corruption.

  2. rise of communism (or another economic system not dependent on greed)

  3. an ‘enlightenment’ like the 60’s or renaissance

  4. china taking all of us over. they are frickin huge

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Human society, and humans in general, will change beyond anything we can comprehend if we are to stay alive as a race. Right now, humanity is in a deep, deep hole, and I really don’t know if we can get out. Our soceity must be completly revamped. Destroy the institution of ownership, which is responsible for evil. Move ahead as one race, exploring inner and outer space in peace. I just don’t know if we could get to a point like that in time.

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I don’t think we are nearing any real sudden changes, any change that will happen in the near future will be gradual.
Think about this - most of the ‘corporations’ in North America are small ‘Mom & Pop’ companies…in fact, they contribute to the economy in an enormous way, and if memory serves, they make up between half and three quarters of all of the businesses in north America. So the left-over big corporations aren’t really that big and scary, especially since you don’t have to buy their products (that’s the great thing about a free market :smile: )
I also think, after lots of reading, that the current political situation in America is louzy, but not as bad as the big bad news companies would have us think. These anti-flag burning and anti-gay marriage bills they try to pass in the States are not taking away freedoms for two reasons; 1) they never pass, and 2) they are simply attempts by politicains to gain support from a certain demographics and to discract from some of the mistakes they’ve made…just look how many states have thrown out the Patriot act for example.

A discussion about Raising Kids was split from this topic. Its reading is recommended to anyone interested in this discussion. :bruno:

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The anti-flag burning bill failed by only one vote (tinyurl.com/rdhox). I don’t know about you, but the fact that the majority of congress can approve something like this scares me.

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But the important thing is that it failed.
Now don’t get me wrong, I think flag burning is very disrespectful, especially since I am so proud and lucky to live where I do, but I don’t approve of people’s rights being trampled on, and I don’t like the idea that someone would use a meaningful issue like this just to gain a few votes.

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Desaster… thats where I see our world is going, I dont see any hope for a better future. The economey will crash soon, then there is global warming. How can anyone find hope in this fkudc up world. Please if you do see a better future post it. I think the government are planing to drop some bombs on the world so that the gretty bastards can start all over with a clean slate. Bombs away president B*sh, and you other governments.