Today I did a WBTB. Before it I had a really vivid dream (not lucid). I waited for about an hour until I got back to sleep. I struggled with WILD (on my back) for a while, but gave up in the end, I just went to sleep normally. So I entered a non-lucid dream in which I was in my old classroom, but my new physics teacher is here. It was the end-of-school day so I tryed to do a WILD or daydream for a while (in a normal dream). And I even got to the point where I got lucid, but in a sense where I am not lucid with my conciousness, but with my subconciousness. I mean that in a dream where you are dreaming, you are not thinking with your subconciousness, but with your sub-subconciousness.
This dream was reaaally fascinating (although I literally facepalmed at my self when I woke up) to me, so I just wanted to share it with you.
It faded out quite fast… But it wasn’t really lucid so I didn’t do things I would do IRL, I did things I normally do in NLD. You get what I mean?
What I am trying to say is that if you want to be lucid in a dream where you are dreaming, you have to brake out not 1, but 2 lucid barriers. This would be a hard, but nice lucid challenge I think.
I still hold to my view that dreaming within a dream is only a transition, not a new layer. Yeah, I know there are a lot of people who disagree but that has been my experience.
Anyway, that second part sounds more like a low lucid dream. You know you are in a dream, but you “go with the flow” and have little control. The subconscious is always aware that you are dreaming; it’s the thing that makes dreams happen. If you realized you were dreaming, that was your conscious mind, but it was clouded. Furthermore, any thoughts or memories that are not directly a part of or used by the conscious mind ARE the subconscious. It does not have its own subconscious, or “sub-subconscious.”
I’ve had a couple of successful in-dream WILD attempts. I thought I was actually going to sleep (a reverse FA if you will), and ended up in an LD. The dreams progressed as many other LD’s and ended in a false awakening. Was it any different or any harder to achieve than a regular LD? No, not really.
I think its all about what you believe in. Even if there’s no sub-subconciousness, if I believe there is one, for me there will be one. Its something like believing in god, if you believe in it, for you there will be a god. It can’t get more simple. And you can’t proove or disproove conciousness nor subconciousness. So, like I said, its all about what you believe in. I believe in it simply because its a fun concept.
I’ve been wondering lately about what would happen if someone were to achieve lucidity and then use that lucid state to go to sleep in that dream, so that they could become lucid a second time, in a second dream, within the first lucid dream.
It seems ridiculous to me. My assumption is that you would either fail and wake up, or simply succeed in transitioning to an entirely new dream, unconnected to the first. I doubt the existence of successive dream ‘levels’, or ‘layers’. But, if it were to work, then I imagine you’d reach an entirely new degree of lucidity, in which the vividness of the dream and your control over it would increase exponentially.
I haven’t had a LD in first. It was a normal dream, I actually thought that I’m trying to WILD. What I got was a in-dream OBE. It felt like I have broken sub-subconscious barrier and I am now in a subconscious lucid dream. So I’m not conscious yet, it is something like a low-awareness LD.
When it comes to lucid dreams, its all about what you expect. When it comes to non-lucid dreams, its all about what your SC expects. It might be that my SC think it has its own SC. Maybe your doesn’t.
It’s a matter of only guessing and experiencing how this works in your own SC. I still tend to believe that dreams within dreams are on a straight timeline, no deeper levels, just a new chapter, no matter how you enter that. One way is falling asleep again and start it, anther way could be to draw a door and walk though it. My lucidity doesn’t particularly increase or decrease because of that. My SC is still my regular SC, i don’t feel different.
Funny detail, i almost only experience multilayered dreams when lucid, as if my SC wants to figure it out and expects to wake up when lucidity occurs. Or it makes me decide to fall asleep again.
I think going to bed conciously inside a lucid dream could potentially lead to a dream within a dream (though I definitly lack personal experience). But for the momen I’d doubt that you could really increase the lucidity even more on the second dream layer. Actually, I guess having a dream inside an LD is a very difficult task to accomplish. I think in most cases you’d at most drift off into another dream.
However, the theory sounds very exciting. If I ever get better at LDing, I’d like to look into it.
I have another cause. I wasn’t lucid at first, but since I’ve been practicing WILD for a while, I guess it got in my SC (the trying to WILD part). So I got it in a normal dream.
(LD in a ND).
