Ok, here’s more…
"krasnij okjabre
Unregistered User
(3/1/03 8:18 pm)
Reply Re: Iveta/Sergei
I’ve just spent most of my weekend going over these “Dreamhacker”
posts, in order to better understand what was being said. For me, the
best way was to rewrite them, “translate” them again, if you like,
which I did, and all I can say is these guys, from a totally
different shamanic origin, have come to corroborate much of what CC
wrote about Toltec Dreaming. Strange, huh?
And what I love is the fact that they seem to have no axe to grind,
no reasons or intention of personal aggrandisement. If you read it,
you’ll see that they “despise Gurus”. Music to my ears. (But not to
some others I fear). They just seem to want to share an open honest
account of what they have done, (there’s a lesson there too for
someone) and the reasons for their thinking and for their strategy.
Refreshing, and uplifting. I hope others around here realise what a
veritable gold mine of information these people have. I, for one, am
very grateful to have the chance to read their story. For non-english-
speaking people, it must have taken an immense amount of hard work
just to have posted what they have so far, let alone all the years of
serious hard work that they have put into their practice.
And to Iveta and Sergei: in one of the CC books, don Juan was quoted
as saying:
“Machines are extensions of the senses…”
…so it’s not really a big surprise that you have found many
correlations between the concepts of computers and the concepts of
Dreaming. Maybe “machines” ARE the physical manifestation of a
subliminal/subconscious memory.
And questions? I have a bucketload of questions. But I’ll wait.
Spassiba tovaritschi
iveta
Esteemed Regular
Posts: 23
(3/1/03 10:01 pm)
Reply Re: Krasnij okjabre
I confused by your words.
Few extracts:
"Risk levels
0 level - first mapping stage. Flyers and ollies don’t know about
your existence yet. You are free in your evolution. The shields of
tonal are still strong and indissoluble.
1st level - a gap is shaping in your cocoon. You are now opened for
the forces of nagual and death. And death begins to strike you hard.
You start attracting ollies. They are beginning to investigate you
whereas you think that you are going crazy. Half of the adepts stops
practice on this stage. Many of them got an incurable body or mind
diseases.
2nd level - Mortal dangerous! The contact with universe forces and
energies demands on person’s perfection and special mood. Flyers’
pressing is unbearably strong. Ollies are catching you attention,
trying to become a part of your life. Possession, manias, various
neoplasm seem to be not the worst issues here. The worst cases are
captivity in labyrinth (that means coma in reality) or agonies in
FSS’s (federal security service) torture chamber.
I didn’t propose that science is so weak in CD (controlled dreams)
area. I was shocked by lack of information of our scientists.
Recently I’ve become a member of dream studying association founded
by Patricia Garfield. And studying its archives I’ve realized that
scientist don’t know anything about CD. And FSS doesn’t know about it
as well. But they want to evolve that field in their own way. Assume
that we worked out the technique of putting sprites into LD. What a
great potential for FSS work! They desire to affect people dreams
scaring them in Freddy Kruger manner or programming them as zombies
for some orders. E.g. Doc investigated the labyrinths and learned how
to lead people out from them. What if conversely - lead them in? What
a wide field of action! This isn’t less dangerous than the flyers
are. Those tyrants are good call for us! That is real conquista for a
dreamer.
Tame Bow"
More on that later
