evolution? dreamin

if we all descended from the initial strand of DNA, transcribed and replicated over and over for four billion years, through all the different phases of animal bodies and conciousnesses, is that knowledge not still with us to a degree still?

this pertains to dreams in the following ways: controlling rising and falling, floating, in dreams, could be a throwback to a no longer used portion of our brains. One that fish still use: The air bladder control. fish inflate and deflate airbladders to control depth underwater, and i have often had this sensation.
Also, many people discuss breathing underwater, and thats not difficult to compare to the fishes. Fish were a big player in the roleof evolution apparantly, givingus many now unused portions of our brains.

there are many dream circumstances that can be understood in this way.
seems to me to be credibility towards the ideas of evolution, but that could always be me and my brain conveniently reaching conclusions that fit nicely with food thoughts.
interesting thing to think about though.
As i am always floating, trying hard to rise or fall.

Hello Floater
I have moved your topic from the dream diaries to the stuff of dreams.
It’s a really interesting idea that you have brought up.

Very interesting idea! I don’t really have an opinion about it… but it sounds plausible that this knowledge should still be inside of us somewhere… You could compare it with the primal instincts people still have: they only emerge back on the surface in moments of great fear or suffering.
You used the example of fish… but dreaming was only developped millions year later, when mammals arose… So if your example would be true, then somehow these fish-like features must have been incorporated in our dreams, while they disappeared during our waking lives… I don’t know really… but it’s plausible :smile:

Kinda “collective memory” thing maybe? :cool_laugh:

BTW, is it scientifically proved that fish don’t dream?

A collective memory… sounds attractive! Who knows… :wink:

Scientists don’t even know for sure how or even if fish sleep…
To outline the scale of dreaming/REM-sleep within the animal kingdom, here’s what scientists know so far: all mammals dream, except for the echidna and a few close-related species (monotremes) who do show signs of minimal REM-sleep responses, but it’s too primitive when compared to other mammals. Nowadays, scientists believe the degradation of REM-sleep in monotremes was caused during relatively recent evolutionary circumstances… Birds also show signs of REM sleep so this means that the common ancestors of the birds and mammals, the reptilians, also must have had some kind of REM-sleep. It’s still unclear though whether or not living reptilians have it… Apart from mammals, birds and perhaps some reptilians, no other animals seem to have the capability to dream/experience REM-sleep…

i’m not saying that fish dream.

i’m saying that within our brains, lies a direct evolutionary link to primitive brains.

if the initial strand of DNA copied itself to make the next creature, and that creature did the same, we would have three total creatures. All with seemingly similar body activities or brain patterns. Then those initial three creatures on the planet divided, producing six. And on and on towards infinity to the present day.
If indeed this evolutionary claim towards life on Earth is the case, then we today, still posess a rudimentary copy of that first, initial DNA strand; meaning, our bodies, which are completely built and fabricated by our DNA, maintain direct links to that first singular strand of the DNA pattern.

we may, as humans, have the instinctual intelligence of all the animal species on Earth.

Thats what brought main argument between Freud and his pupil Jung.
While first one believed we learn all we know ,feel ,desire while we grow up while Jung school teaches that we all share primary knowledge,that theres a base we all have,just develop it differently.
Personally i agree with latest.

A very interesting thought… it would be cool if it were true, but i’m somewhat skeptical. As you say, fish had these air bladder thingies and you think that maybe our brain is remembering back to those times and whatnot… however, evolution is a slow process, and as the air bladder left, wouldn’t the part of the brain that uses it leave as well? I’m not an expert on evolution for sure, but it just seems that if a physical trait leaves us, the part of the brain that controls it would leave too. Sorry if somebody has already posted this, i didn’t take time to read everyones, and if anyone has any information showing i’m wrong please tell me,

I’ve heard dogs can dream. It’s possible that we had a not-so-distant ancestor that could ‘dream’ in a way, they probably dreamt of events that happened that day, like a memory in a way.