Freddy Kruger

the Stuff Dreams are made of...
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This guy is not leaving my dreams alone lately.

It really bugs me, because of his association with killing people in their dreams, I find it hard to confront him, and even moreso, control him.

In the past 2 weeks he’s been there at least 3-4 times… and it’s never pleasant. Sometimes scary, sometimes a nuisance.

Today I found myself in a restaurant and he was sitting at a table, his back to me. I did not know the proper way to address such an issue. I contemplated ignoring him, but wondered what would happen when I leave.

and yes I know, expectation creates the dream, and dictates his behavior… but the problem is… he holds a charge in the collective unconscious… Freddy does not behave statically like a typical DC< but rather he behaves like he does from his movies…

so… he ended up coming up to me. and the first thing I asked, is if he would teach me how to dream travel. he said no. then i just stood there and let him do whatever to me, blocking him with my arms, but for some reason he eventually cut me and laughed. it didn’t hurt but you don’t want to be injured either way…

later I summoned an ostrich and had it just go nuts attacking and kicking and pecking him, and that worked well. But the ostrich kept disappearing.

Then my dog helped me … he brought me to this really strange world, but to get there is dangerous as there are “guards” there to “kill” or “attack” you… he told me it was a world of demons, but that I would be completely safe there… but in crossing through to that world these guardians had chains and kept entangling me.

after making it, it was a peaceful place. there were three different ones too, the first was kind of gothic looking, but in a brightish way, it had big structures… and inside was a video store, where I watched “me” go in and confront Freddy, who could not mess with me here… I watch him “kill” me… then he disappeared and “me” wnet back out and disappeared… and that was fine.

then I went to another one, and my favorite was a forest like one.

I’m not really liking that my dog said it was place of “demons” though, although I have read that “demon” means daemon, and daemons are traditionally helper creatures of sort, and only got labeled as evil through the advent of Christianity.

I dunno.

But Freddy pisses me off. You can tell yourself he’s not real, but in your mind he’s associated with killing people in their dreams.

has anyone else had these problems? It’s not like you can kill a dream character. Sometimes that just gives them more strength. I can try loving and hugging him.

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I know of what you speak. When you hear or, indeed, see in a movie, that Freddy can go into dreams, your mind will present images of him in control of your dream, whether lucid or not.

Seems Freddy is just as much a nuisance as in the movies, though not so violent as the movies portray.

What you have to do is write a story before going to bed. Write that Freddy bows to you, and is a mere apparation incapable of control. This will set your subconsious to you being in control, and you won’t have to concentrate on making Freddy go away.

Sometimes I would daydream that if Freddy were a real threat (this was during school, so I’d pretty much daydream anything), I would realize I was dreaming and beat the crap out of him. Perhaps this would be more fun than any old lucid dream?

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that’s a good idea.

i took control of him a little bit this morning, i moved my hands and had his hands linked to mine, so that when i moved, he moved… but he was a bit “resistant” and it was probably because of my expectations.

as for beating the crap out of him, well they try that in the movies but he keeps winning.

This is really a pretty nasty thing Wes Craven created…

Frankly I just want him to teach me his secrets of dream travel, then I would teach him to be a “normal” person and transform him into something non threatening.

or keep sicking my ostrich on him lol. that worked well for a while.

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Lol! I wouldn’t have thought it was possible. :happy:

This Freddy Kruger is not the one from the Elm Street movie. It’s your Freddy Krugger. Ask him what he represents in your dream.

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When I didn’t know of lucid dreaming, I remember having one dream with him. It was a normal dream with 0 awareness and usual dream flow. I don’t know, he was more like a presence than his real self, he was chasing me through a house or so. Very unclear dream. By the way, it’s “Krueger”. :tongue:

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yeah this is definitely so. if i’m lying awake eyes closed and think about certain things, i see his image (in a complete non-threatening way)

but i can’t recall what this image was linked to! i need to write these things down i think.

what’s interesting is also spiders and their symbolic relatoin to dreams, as being weavers of their own reality, yet their perceived coldness and perhaps “hostility” or “threatening” nature…

spiders and freddy krueger emerging in my dreams symbolize perhaps a fear of stepping into a very advanced level of dream awareness, or exploring the unknown, or integrating with my shadow?

i know i associate Freddy most definitely with dream travel, despite also having negative associations.

i was also called freddy krueger recently because i let my nails grow too long :smile:

hmm.

and yes i realize i spelled it wrong. i’ve been trying to use the internet without my glasses to improve my vision.

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This is very similar to the problem you yourself, holy reality, helped me to prevent.

My situation with a fictional (note the bolding of that word) character is not with Freddy Krueger, but with Michael Myers from the Halloween movies. I’ve never sat through an entire Halloween movie, but I have seen snippets that I couldn’t look away from (in retrospect, I should have). He does not show up in my dreams any more, but when he used to, it was in NDs (the only dreams I’ve ever had XD) and he was just like the portrayal in the movies: silent, possessed, and unstoppable. Infact, to this day, I am afraid of knives that are not plastic.

He stopped coming into my dreams when I went deeper. What I mean is that I looked behind the character. I researched the actors that have played him, and looked for things in the Halloween franchise that don’t exist (like towns, people, places… etc.). Heck, I probably watched the 2004 Freaky Friday a thousand times to see Jamie Lee Curtis as Tess, and not as Laurie. My advice is to do some research on Robert Englund (Freddy Krueger).

It’s funny; most people forget that horror movies are the result of a writer whose job is to scare people, and that they contain not even an ounce of truth. Michael Myers prevented me from trying LDing for awhile, but once I did that mental check (Horror Movie villains can only exist in my dreams, and when they do, I am invincible), and even did a little mental imagery (imagine Jason Voorhees, Jack Torrance, Michael Myers, and Freddy Krueger unmasked at a tea party wearing tutus and singing nursery rhymes).

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which problem did I help you with soccerfan?

were you the one that talked about scary movies and I went on the tangent about how bad for you they are?

or was that something else :smile:

but yeah… it’s not like i’m scared of him IRL or anything, but he is a dream killer lol! It’s pretty weird because I can go in long spurts of never dreaming about him at all, then sometimes when I do. i think maybe i ought to turn into a mirror when i see him, and see if i can learn what being him is about to me.

but of course, with my imagination i might think he’d just break the mirror or something.

the key thing i think is giving away your power to other people, and the media really encourages you to do this all the time. to political leaders, to boogeymen, to authority figures, to the “cruel” world… and you just stare at it and let it mess with your self-image.

it’s really weird where i might find him though. one time i had an LD about space mountain a few years ago, and i was riding it, and i got off and just wandered through a gift shop, and randomly amongst the many people he was just kind of sitting there, and I said “Hi Freddy” and walked off and that was that.

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Yep, I’m the one who had the Horror Movie issue :smile: You’re talk on it helped :wink:

I’d say you’re at a pretty easy situation… The reason why Freddy keeps coming into your dreams is because you believe that he’s a dream killer, which he isn’t. Freddy Krueger is a name, simple as that. The man you’ve seen in movies isn’t Freddy Krueger. It’s Robert Englund, a man who gets paid for walking, talking, and dressing a certain way.

Pardon me if I’m completely missing a point here, but didn’t you say that you wanted to ask Freddy about dream travel? I don’t want to be blunt, but that’s simply a waste of a question unless you’re just curious as to what he’ll say. Freddy Krueger cannot dream travel, for the same reason that a name cannot dream travel.

One of the main “themes” of the NoES series is differentiating reality and nonreality (I purposely did not say dreams). If you would like to spend time with the Robert Englund character who kills, you’re free to do so. You’re just as free to spend time with the Robert Englund character who plays chess, or goes swimming, or works in a law firm.

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well yes i’m interested in his answer. i view him as a dream traveler, not as an actor.

if i was dreaming about Robert Englund I would be dreaming about Robert Englund.

but i understand what you mean.

the thing is, all our imaginations are real in the “astral” whether or not it exists in objective space somewhere… so when lots of people see this character, he takes on a real charge based upon his personalities and how his creator designed him to be.

so talking to him would be a lot different than talking to a couch i encounter in a department store, which is probably an empty creation of my mind to make dreams seem real, where as this figure holds some sort of charged meaning.

and i don’t want to hang around him while he kills lol, I just want to know “his” method of dream travel, and to probably reform his behavior in relatoin to my mind and expectations.

this would probably require an overhaul of his default appearance.

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That would be a complete reprogramming of the brain on “Freddy Krueger.” You might have to go to such lengths as making your own NoES sequel where Freddy becomes nice and happy and a member of society and has a secret club of giddy best friends… Then again, it could be as easy as dreaming that you’re a teacher in “nice” school and Freddy is a student.

I’d say your best bet of finding out Freddy’s method of dream travel is by just talking/dreaming of talking to Wes Craven. IMO, that makes for a much nicer dream.

Anyways, good luck exploring :smile: I hope you can share your results.

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Sometimes, i think the best way to get rid of something scary, is to make it funny. For example, maybe Freddy was just a guy who was trimming his hedges when someone threw a pizza on his face, and the gashes and scars all over his head, are really just pizza toppings! Also, i would reccomend looking at the MISTAKES in the movies. One such thing is when Freddy is hit with a hammer in the stomach, and is sent through a bannister to the stairs, when he quite obviously bounces off a matress! There are any number of ways to do this. Combat your fear with humor! Of course, i can’t find a way to make needles funny, so im still terrified of them.

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Lol! Great idea HebrewB! :happy:

The basis of this idea is completely right. When you have a scary DC, it’s not the DC which is frightening by itself, it’s you who are scared. Thus changing your behavior and emotions is the best way of getting rid of it.

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Thanks Basilus! Oh, and does anybody know a way needles can be funny?

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I guess you can imagine them acting like caterpillars, and wrapping themselves up in a chrysalis (no clue how to spell that…), and have them come out as candycanes or something.

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I dont think that would appeal to my sense of humor… oh, and you were only one letter out! Its crysalis. Maybe i could go back to terminator 2 when she holds that guy hostage and the t-1000 walks through the door and that thing falls out his mouth. Thats kinda funny…

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well while preparing to fall asleep i realzed that scary things are something for me to focus attention on. I could hold the image of him or a spider quite well, but I could not hold the image of loved ones nearly as long.

i give these scary things my energy, so i guess this is what happens.

the spider is perplexing though. i was saying a mantra and thinking of things that i shouldn’t have been, that can only lead to scary situations, but i had in my head this mantra would save you from incarnating on the insect level, and you’d just kind of “wake up” from it, and that it would be “okay” so then i see 6 vertical spider eyes, yellow ones, in 2 upward rows… starting to stare at me and i stare at them.

this makes a ton of visuals and swirling colors pop up, as well as makes my body feel strange, but then i started applying fear to it, like the spider was hypnotising me and stuff, because i couldn’t really “look away” from it…

so i fought it off, but then was later disappointed that i couldn’t get the visual state to come back.

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This is close akin to something I said recently: scary things are “interesting”. You can notice it when you change your behavior or emotions, for instance by asking questions to the monster (or proposing a ghost to go at the swimming pool - I did this once! :happy: ) Then the scary thing immediatly becomes no more “interesting”, that is you do no more invest any interest in it.

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I’ve always thought of Freddy as a friendly character for some reason. I’ve seen the movie and all but still he’s always seemed positive to me o_O

Never had any nightmares involving him.

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Maybe you could have them asemble themselvs to little stick figures that start singing and dancing to some old move song, or have them act out something funny that you have seen.
Something different that I thought of when you mentioned needles, they sometimes use lots of needle like pices of metal to make concret stronger, maybe you could imagen a kind of shild around you, and every time a needle comes in contact with it, the needle becomes a part of it, making the shild stronger. It is not funny, but it could protect you.
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