help!! im getting bored with ld!

Quest for Lucidity
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i know it sounds strange, but i think im getting bored with lucid dreams! :sad:
i´ve bin having lucid dreams for maybe 2 years, but never bin very succesful, i´ve maybe had one or two each month for these 2 years and in the start i remembered that the feeling of becomeing lucid…it was soo cool and such an strong experience. i couldnt believe “my eyes” when i became lucid, i couldnt believe the fact that this was all my creation and im actually dreaming now!
well these were some excellent times but lately when i go lucid i only go 50% compared to what i used to be. I do know that i am dreaming, i have 100% control over myself and i am lucid enough to remember my real life and what i´ve bin telling myself what to do when i´m lucid, this is quite important as i can experiment in this stage to solve the problem…wich is i cant get that magic feeling!!!, i dont get the thrill of being able to do what i want or explore my inner self. And sometimes when im on my way of becoming lucid i just feel so tired and enjoying the dream and not needing to have any control so i will just let go and go back to the dream. Just like if i were to wake up and feel to tired to go out of bed, even if someone told me i´d get 100$ for it.
And why is this? well i believe it is because i´ve had so many experiences with lucid dreams and none of them has bin very interesting :sad: so maybe i have 2 thing i can do, the first one wich is obviously best; i have to do something interesting or exciting enough to get that magic feeling back. or 2:nd maybe i just need to stop trying to become lucid for some months and after that when i start trying, or when i get surpriesed by becomeing lucid i wont be bored with it and the feeling will come back.

the reason that i dont have that many lucid dreams is that my life does not allow me to sleep so much and i dont have time to put in so much effort, maybe i will do one or two RC a day. and if i stopped doing these i think i wouldnt have LD´s at all. And i know that in my studies i could use my LD alot, its quite competative and i have something my classmate dont have and so i want to use it!! (I´m studying fashion design, menswear) so i´d rather not stop, and i dont want to , i enjoy doing my RC´s and thinking about LDing. But if that is the only way i can get it all back maybe that is what needs to be done!

Please help me, maybe there are people with similar experiences. maybe someone did something that was so cool so it inspired Him/Her to LD even more!

Probably the reason that i think it´s becoming more boring is that i have so much else to think about and do all the time so LDing comes in 2:nd hand and i dont put so much effort into it…but then again my real life (studies) is much more important so i dont have much of a choice…but i want to “relearn” LDing so that it can help me in my real life! i dont know how to weigh this but i know thats something only i can do and i don´t ask for help with this.

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i have similar problems and i’m lucid every day unless i adjust my sleep schedule.

I can’t really help you but to say maybe take a night where you say “NO LUCID DREAMS” and if you get lucid you just follow your dream plots like you weren’t lucid.

and then take a night where you say “now if i get lucid tonight, it will be the kind that i need the kind that amazes me” and do that.

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thanks for firstly, reading all that and secondly, making a reply :smile:
well that sounds interesting, maybe i´ll try that…
it really sounds like it is quite inevitable that you do get kindof bored after a while, as you do with everything else in real life. Im just trying to make up my mind if i should try to have more or less LD`s…i still dont really know what to do with the situation!
but dont you ever miss those first experiences that were so strong cause it was the first time? then what do YOU do to get that same feeling…What i want to do is to increase my lucidity, but i tried all the “tricks” like shouting “increase lucidity” and other stuff but it doesnt help very much…i think the problem lies deeper then that…:sad:
thanks for the reply thou!

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mindexplorer: i know exactly what you are talking about.

I’m still not quite over it, although it helps to have a quest to have in a LD that exites you.

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i don’t do anything… i can’t really incubate “great” lucid dreams… they just maybe once a year or once a month happen…

i think the dreams get bored because dreams are shaped by our concepts of self, and there is only so much you can “do” within your own free will before you run out of new possibilities and repeat your actions over and over.

which is why a lucid dreaming forum is a good idea, maybe reading someone elses lucid dream where they did something that sounds really amazing that you’ve never done before might help bring the spark back.

but your problem seems to be with getting lucid at all and staying lucid. First of all, don’t worry about staying lucid, it will be easier and easier and easier each time… the key is just intent.

There are nights where I just don’t plain FEEL like putting up the effort to get lucid and just hope it randomly happens…

this is a kind of diagram here:
[ ---------------- ] is a measurement of consciousness.

you ----------------- (awake)
you -1 ----------- (light sleep/awake)
you - 2 ------- (drifting off and losing consciousness)
----------------------hypnagogic state-----------
you - 2 ------- (hypnagogic dreams, sleep thoughts)
you -1 ----------- (somewhat interactive dreams)
you ----------------- (dreaming actively)

so basically, the conscious you might want to lucid dream… but the conscious you minus 1 doesn’t care because it wants to sleep. You’re not going to lucid dream. So you do a MILD. The conscious you wants to lucid dream… now the conscious you minus 1 wants to lucid dream… but you lose focus and fall asleep.

You have to saturate your mind… and… I could write an extremely long post about how I think you can do this… but I’m not sure if it will be read and it might be better left to start a new thread with.

Basically… a thought / vision /fragment of mind can only last so long before it is pushed away by something else.

Let’s presume your MILD mantra is simply “I will realize that I am dreaming tonight.” well first of all, it’s going to be hard to say that entire mantra when you get to you -2 on the border of sleep… if you keep trying you’ll probably just forget it and drift off.

But what you can do, is you can start with a whole mantra, take it to you -1 and see what you -1 is saying… for example you use the mantra, you feel sleepy and you start thinking about something else. That is your cue to redefine the mantra… here’s a real example of what I did last night.

“Personal growth” was repeated over and over again while I passively thought about what I “meant” by personal growth.
“freedom” came to mind… my mantra is now “personal growth… freedom… personal growth… freedom”

i keep thinking… “i want to be healed”

now the mantra is “personal growth, freedom, healing” … but what else? I want to be compassionate to others (i don’t think that made it’s way into the mantra) etc, etc…

so then I hit the “brick wall” of the unconscious mind and it was very hard to gather my thoughts… words started popping up, voices, if you will… this is when you have to figure out how to keep the mantra going. I don’t have much experience here, but if you take it this deep, if you “fall asleep” then “come back” and still realize “hey i’m supposed to be thinking about something” and manage to piece back together the general idea of your mantra… it means you have just communicated your desires to your subconscious, and they will be more likely to be carried out.

ideally you would just end up in a lucid dream, but I myself wake back up, and after waking up and going deeper and deeper each time, I eventually stop and go to bed for the night.

I hope this helps. What I’m trying to say is you need to carry your desires to a part of you that is much deeper than the surface.

Doing this kind of MILD practice also is beneficial to memory and focus as you will completely and totally forget what you were saying, then learn how to remember it again (which is a passive act, you just have to kind of “wait” and “search” until it comes back to you… this means you are sending things from short term memory to long term memory, from conscious to subconscious, etc. (my theory anyway… i’d just as soon call it true as i’ve experienced it so much)

oh my and the most important thing is you have to do this while you are progressively falling asleep, it doesn’t work if you spend 30 minutes wide awake, you need to do it while falling asleep, (deeper each time if you can) which is something you’ll have to figure out for yourself… there are plenty of sleep induction methods, once you start getting drowsy you can focus more on mantra/MILD work than inducing sleepiness.

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thanks alot for that long and most important good answer. What you sayn makes sense and i will try your tecnique ASAP, im actually quite excited about it (and that was what i was looking for i believe :smile: )

and you´re very right pasQuale…and i need a quest so i can use my dreams in a creative way…

and Holy, yes my problem is partly that i cannot become lucid, but the reason for that is because i dont really feel like it…because im a bit bored with it. and staying lucid…well maybe it is the opposite, my lucid dreams lasts quite long, actually a bit to long…and when i think of it maybe that is what makes them a bit booring. Cause if i get to excited in a dream i´ll wake up so i try not to do that. And if to much happens, i start flying really fast or go into a war or whatever i will loose my LD and go into normal dream so i try not to do that either. My aim is to do as much as possible that therefor i want as long lucid dreams as possible. Maybe i shouldnt care if i loose the dream, if i want to fly really fast ill do that or if i want to have sex with that girl ( :smile: ) ill do that and not caring if it will be the reason why i´ll lose my lucidity…
anyway im happy i wrote on this forum cause it inspired me and i think that is what was needed, just to talk with some ppl and make dreaming a more central part of my life…i almost stop caring about it!

thanks again!