they work with YOU. but every person is entirely different. RCs work for some people and don’t work for others. every person has a technique or a mixture of techniques that work for them. there is no ‘absolute’ technique.
i meant to say work best with me
This gave me a bit of inspiration and insight as to how you guys do it… I am going to try the WBTB method with the MILD method. I also read about those two in a pdf about Lucid Dreaming. Thanks 
After reading this last paragraph of your post, I am actually getting the impression that lucid dreaming is not at all hard and what matters most is dream vividness. If you can remember your dreams, you should easily be able to become lucid in them.
I recently made a thread asking what lucid dreaming is actually like, if it’s actually like in waking life or if it still feels like a dream and this is why this part of the post caught my attention. From my understanding you can have a lucid dream and forget about it? If that’s the case, then it’s obviously all about vividness and dream recall. From the sounds of it, LD might be a little disappointing from what I thought it would be like, but until I manage to get one, I won’t be commenting on this too much.
LDs can be as real as waking life! Sometimes you even feel pain. But some dreams lack clarity (normal dreams), some are extremely vivid. Sometimes the dream scene will be more clear that waking life. But it all depends on the dream.
To increase the probability of vivid dreams use a dream journal. If the dream is more vivid the experience is much more enjoyable and it easier to become lucid.
Sometimes simply having a dream journal is enough to induce lucidity because your brain will be able to identify the differences between real life and dreams and suddenly you will be like “wait a second, this is just a dream,”
I have been having a dream journal ever since i was a kid, i was always fascinated about dreams, but i found out about lucid dreams just a while ago. If i was you i wouldn’t even try induction methods unless i am able to recall 1 dream per night. But thats just me. I bet you already had so many lucid dreams but forgot about them x.x.
You are right all it takes to lucid dream is some basic knowledge, a little hard work (no work if you want to try auto suggestion) and a whole lot of motivation
Once you have more LDs you will know that they are not at all disappointing.
Good luck
I’ve realized this myself in the past couple days, most notably, an hour or two ago. I, just like Avalinah, had immediate LD success in small doses at the beginning. Then, I got stuck on techniques and as they failed and failed again I lost confidence, I began to doubt, and I gave up. Two years later, I’m back on here trying again, and lo and behold, some LDing power returned. A month ago I faded away again, but managed to come back now. Confidence plays such an important role, and if you doubt, no, doubt is the only inhibitor to LDing. If one truly believed each night as they fell asleep that they would LD, then they would.
Also, on word of the mentor, it’s unbelievable the effect of a comment on this site. A simple comment in your DJ may be enough to give the the belief to have that next LD, so keep posting. You never know who you might help.
Thanks for the replies guys but iv got a few questions
avalinah
when you say confidence is the key do you mean confidence as in " I know that i am going to have a lucid dream tonight"? I mean thats kind of hard for me after all this time having so many failures lol, i have tried things like mantra’s heaps and believe me i really did think i was gonna have a lucid dream alot but they never came. In saying that its not that i beleive that im never gonna have a LD lol but confidence is a bit hard at times.
Vinothmohanraj
3 hours seems like alot of time for wbtb have you had similar success with something around 1 hour or is it just that you prefer 3? I will start with the wbtb a bit more seriosuly though cause i do know that alot of people say its the best thing to do.
I am currently keeping a dream journal and i have been ever since i started although i must admit i havn’t been posting all of my dreams in extreme detail recently. Right now i am always able to remember Atleast 1 dream a night but most of the time its around 3. The only problem with remembering my dreams is that if i really do want to remember as much as i can i find that i have to do constant mantra’s to myself “I will remember my dreams tonight” and just that meas that i cant even attempt MILD or WILD.
Thanks for your posts so far, this is my first thread and im on my second page
For me one hour at the beginning never worked. I have tried it, after reading countless websites. I came up with 3 hours after trying 45mins, 1 hour,1hour 30mins, 2hours, 2 hour 30minutes. I never got an LD even when combined with MILD. Congratz of remembering so many dreams per night.
Even after soo much practice if i attempt a WBTB but stay up for just 1hour i would say my chances of an LD are pretty low.
Who says you can’t say two different mantras? I just think “ok i am going to wake up right after a dream” and i will wake up like twice and i will instantly write down my dreams. Then after 4 hours of sleep i will wake up, stay for 3 hours and repeat my MILD mantra and then go to sleep. If you are scared you will forget your hard earned MILD simply wake your self after you have done all you want. You know your own dream recall ability so don’t take chances. For example if you can only remember 30mins of a dream don’t LD for longer than that. You will regret it. To wake your self up open and close your eyes rapidly. WBTB is like an enhancer, just like recall. Whatever you are doing if you combine with WBTB your chances are higher.
Personally, with WBTB, I mostly just wake up, sometimes head to the bathroom, and then go right back to sleep, and it still works. Really, WBTB is just to reset intention. I don’t have time to stay up for a good length of time, and how long you do decide to stay up for WBTB is a personal thing. Some do stay up a half hour or more, but some just stay up for a few minutes, long enough to reset your intentions with MILD or something and that’s it. I usually do the latter… Wake up, reset intention, and go back to sleep.
yes, i know confidence is really hard. it’s still hard for me, but it’s the only thing that actually works. sometimes when i try to be confident it’s also not working out. you just get into the right mindset… but when you get out of it it’s really hard to get back in. i’m struggling with it now too 
I don’t think he will necessarily regret it 
Although, I can rarely get long LD’s so if he can stay 30 minutes lucid, that’s already great! Plus, it’s usually easier to remember LD’s than NLD’s since you were conscious. Anyway, I always get mad at myself when I wake up on purpose. It only seems like a good idea in the dream 
And about confidence, I agree. Though I see it as much deeper than that. Like emotional confidence…
Usually when we tell ourselves something like “I am 100% confident that I will get a LD tonight!” there’s a tiny (some times 99% unconscious) part of us that gets ready to get frustrated the next morning. As if you think in the back of your mind “just in case I don’t get lucid, I will feel this: frustration/disapointment/anger”. So I would wake up after no LD’s and if I was feeling frustrated it meant I didn’t do the whole confidence thing right! I guess it’s confidence but also not demanding too much, if it doesn’t work, that’s ok. If you can truely feel this calm confidence before bed it will increase chances a lot! Not sure if that made much sense though… 
I strongly recommend wiring each morning in the DJ. It is the most effective tool for beginners, and not only. I started with writing in the DJ and as far as I can remember, yes I got my first LD in less than a month. Using it even further for a whole year, the DJ even gave me lucidity sparks each night. But then I ran into the trouble of not know which was a LD or FLD. I believe that do be a personal case, as most people don’t have many FLD’s in their lives.
So, I suggest you start writing in the DJ. Once you get to feel how it’s like to be lucid and thus you gain some experience, you can jump into even harder ways of achieving lucidity: methods. (Especially WILD and DEILD).
I gave up using the DJ due to lack of time for writing in it. That was around december last year when I began looking for other, quicker ways for having LD’s. Now I’m into methods (DEILD especially), which is, I have to say, pretty hard to achieve. (Worked after 3 months of practice.)
Anywaaays, as I’m beginning to slip off the subject, I really think you should read this. It’s where I stared off a year ago 
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Good luck !
Hmm i read a book on the purpose of WBTB. I think you do it to delay the REM period, so when you go back to sleep the brain just jumps back to it. But guess everyone is different.
Wow some people get LDs after just a few minutes of WBTB, they are lucky
Thanks everyone been great help
Don Anonymus
Thanks for the link i read it and i think i should spend a bit more time on my dream journal lol alot of what it said is true, normally when searching i would skip the Dream journal section.
Thanks for the help ill start on some of the advice right up and see how it goes
Hmm i was wrong. I listened to avalinah and only stayed up for just 2 minutes before going back to sleep + MILD. I had one of the most vivid LDs i ever had. My eye dream eye sight was better than my real life eye sight. However is lasted only 5 minutes before i woke up naturally. I don’t know what happened. The dream was completely stable.
seriously? well i’m happy for you! sounds like success
yup thx bro, i dont have to stay up for 3 hours anymore 
“bro” xD lol. i’m assuming that’s a figure of speech but ehh… i’m a woman xD haha.
glad to have helped you either way
Omg soo sorry
it’s fine i bet everyone just assumes that cause of the avatar… lol